CALCCW.com forum poster posting false info about CGF/CGN Activities

[Gray Peterson]

Well said CSD. And it should be noted, it was only one CalCCW member that posted the assertion that there have been "convictions". Let's not lump the bad egg with the good eggs.

Agreed, but my comments about Greg Block stand on it's own. He is the leader of that forum. He disrespects the work that members of this forum gave the cause for carry, and tells the folks who tell people to stand up against the statutory violations by sheriff's agencies to shut up and moderates them/bans them.

This is his right as he owns the domain and the forum. However, I have the right (subject to Kestryll's determination to allow to continue to exist, as this is his house) to make postings to call into question Greg Block's apparent false statements in order to "keep the prairie dogs in line" over at his forum. This encourages the behavior that Ron P is engaging in. I am holding both Ron P and Greg Block publicly accountable. If they stay silent in the face of these questions, that is on them.

Think about what would happen if Kes ever made that statement himself here. A lot of folks would go "WTF"?

I'm sure the good eggs far outweigh the bad eggs. The problem is that some of the staff are the bad eggs.

QFT.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

Agreed, but my comments about Greg Block stand on it's own. He is the leader of that forum. He disrespects the work that members of this forum gave the cause for carry, and tells the folks who tell people to stand up against the statutory violations by sheriff's agencies to shut up and moderates them/bans them.

This is his right as he owns the domain and the forum. However, I have the right (subject to Kestryll's determination to allow to continue to exist, as this is his house) to make postings to call into question Greg Block's apparent false statements in order to "keep the prairie dogs in line" over at his forum. This encourages the behavior that Ron P is engaging in. I am holding both Ron P and Greg Block publicly accountable. If they stay silent in the face of these questions, that is on them.

Think about what would happen if Kes ever made that statement himself here. A lot of folks would go "WTF"?



QFT.

The rest of your comments aside, I believe that another forum member (not an employee or relative of) owns that site. Kes should know that.

An as to the personality clashes between you, Greg, and that site, hey, it's the internet. I can't immediately independently verify all that is said here or there, and lock into the truth, but it does seem to cut both ways, depending on the day, the sub-forum, and the moon. Maybe it's best we call it day and let each site do it's work. Anyone agree?

(heck, I've had my disagreements over there; and here)

[GaryPowersLives]

Maybe it's best we call it day and let each site do it's work. Anyone agree?

Me three. Oh, wait, is it too early for that?

[eaglemike]

Just wow!

If I read their"info" correctly, they are saying "transportation of an unregistered gun" is a wobbler??? I'm sure they meant handgun.... but come on. Transporting isn't the same as carrying concealed. IIRC the issue is carrying concealed of an unregistered gun without a permit to CCW. I can transport an unregistered handgun legally without issue - unless I meet up with an LEO that doesn't know the law (thinks every handgun must be registered).

Took a quick look at that forum - much more impressed with this place.

[boxbro]

I love how the guy makes a claim, and then when asked for proof, he tells the person he doesn't have time to do their research for them.

[Gray Peterson]

The rest of your comments aside, I believe that another forum member (not an employee or relative of) owns that site. Kes should know that.

Don't know. My intel suggests otherwise. If it's wrong I'll gladly correct it, unlike some people.

An as to the personality clashes between you, Greg, and that site, hey, it's the internet. I can't immediately independently verify all that is said here or there, and lock into the truth, but it does seem to cut both ways, depending on the day, the sub-forum, and the moon. Maybe it's best we call it day and let each site do it's work. Anyone agree?

(heck, I've had my disagreements over there; and here)

Holding someone accountable for speaking untruths to their own forum membership is not a personality clash. Telling people that having an unregistered gun in the car is a felony in itself, and when told otherwise, clinging to two un-named "gun lawyers" which he refuses to name, is a sign of bad judgment and bad moral character in that it seems like he's purely making it all up. All to support Mike Carona's former policy that he had a part in drafting, ignoring the clear wording of GC53071 and PC12054(d). Putting those requirements in was pure politics and not law.

Sorry to be channelling Billy Jack here, but this plantation mentality where one must make everything registered and "err 100 percent of the side of caution" would have resulted in no OLL's and no bullet buttons, because everyone is afraid to cross the line. The core people of CGF were involved in those two things heavily, took the risks themselves rather than subjected anyone else to any criminal liability.

[bwiese]

There is no requirement for handguns to be registered - unless the particular path/timing that they were acquired requires DROSiing or DOJ forms. And in that case, the problem is less that they weren't registered buy that they were acquired illegally.

I have a bag full of unregistered handguns - had 'em for years, family guns, guns I bought from dudes getting divorces in the 80s, etc.

I transport them to the range (locked/unloaded) and shoot the hell outta them.

There is no crime.

Period.

[puropuro]

I always hated it when Mom and Dad fought each other

There's a lot of anger, hate, and resentment on this thread.

I'm happily a member of both boards, and am disappointed that now my friends over here are now taking shots at my friends over there. You have a disagreement with a person, statement, or assumption...fine. But why did you just take a shot at an entire community?

CalCCW has always been very courteous to newbies trying to get their CCW. They helped shepherd me through the process successfully. I've never read any disparaging comments about Calguns there, and even when they comment on disagreements with folks like TBJ and their philosophies, it's still VERY civil and chalked up to "agreements to disagree".

Infighting is not what we need since, in the end, we really are trying to go in the same direction. Better yet, why don't we focus our displeasure on the anti's and those that would take away our rights instead of shots across the bow at others that want the same thing, but go at it a different way.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

Don't know. My intel suggests otherwise. If it's wrong I'll gladly correct it, unlike some people. But I do know; I've had many a lunch with this guy. Not trying to be right, just that I do know.



Holding someone accountable for speaking untruths to their own forum membership is not a personality clash. Telling people that having an unregistered gun in the car is a felony in itself, and when told otherwise, clinging to two un-named "gun lawyers" which he refuses to name, is a sign of bad judgment and bad moral character in that it seems like he's purely making it all up. All to support Mike Carona's former policy that he had a part in drafting, ignoring the clear wording of GC53071 and PC12054(d).

Taking a very educated guess, I probably know of who one of the attorneys is, and he is a well respected firearms attorney who I am sure is well known by the CGf.

Further, and take it from me as personal experience, attorneys do not like advice or counsel be used third hand, so absent a face to face discussion with this one attorney, Greg is most likely honoring that request (that he not use the attorney's name in third hand situations).

But, I'll let my end of this die. It's not really my bailiwick.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

Infighting is not what we need since, in the end, we really are trying to go in the same direction. Better yet, why don't we focus our displeasure on the anti's and those that would take away our rights instead of shots across the bow at others that want the same thing, but go at it a different way.

Now, where's the fun in that?!?

[Gray Peterson]

There's a lot of anger, hate, and resentment on this thread.

I'm happily a member of both boards, and am disappointed that now my friends over here are now taking shots at my friends over there. You have a disagreement with a person, statement, or assumption...fine. But why did you just take a shot at an entire community?

I said "Calccw.com member". Also, the moderation staff has been quite discourteous towards me and Brandon, banning us from the forum when we told them that requirements for registration are illegal and violative of one court case and two different statutes, purely to protect the bad work product that Mike Carona created which spread throughout the state like a virus.

CalCCW has always been very courteous to newbies trying to get their CCW. They helped shepherd me through the process successfully. I've never read any disparaging comments about Calguns there, and even when they comment on disagreements with folks like TBJ and their philosophies, it's still VERY civil and chalked up to "agreements to disagree".

Infighting is not what we need since, in the end, we really are trying to go in the same direction. Better yet, why don't we focus our displeasure on the anti's and those that would take away our rights instead of shots across the bow at others that want the same thing, but go at it a different way.

I cannot abide by individuals who claim that CGN and CGF's activities have resulted in convictions of people for OLL's and bullet buttons (verifiably false). I also cannot abide falsehoods involving law.

[eaglemike]

There is no requirement for handguns to be registered - unless the particular path/timing that they were acquired requires DROSiing or DOJ forms. And in that case, the problem is less that they weren't registered buy that they were acquired illegally.

I have a bag full of unregistered handguns - had 'em for years, family guns, guns I bought from dudes getting divorces in the 80s, etc.

I transport them to the range (locked/unloaded) and shoot the hell outta them.

There is no crime.

Period.

This ^^^^^
I just don't understand how someone that is assuming a role of authority there would make the posts/statements about this being a "wobbler." I know it's the "interwebz" but (as the late great John Wooden would say) "goodness gracious sakes alive."

[Gray Peterson]

Taking a very educated guess, I probably know of who one of the attorneys is, and he is a well respected firearms attorney who I am sure is well known by the CGf.

I seriously doubt that, and only a bad attorney would never make a statement like that to anyone that is so obviously false that would be malpractice. Sorry, a CGF hired and or/well known lawyer giving that advice? I ask again: Why is Greg banning people for criticizing the fruits of Carona's faulty work product?

[Kestryll]

Okay, Gene has corrected the poster and swept away the FUD regarding CGF's efforts and what has really been said here on CGN.
It was one poster representing a point of view.

Let's not turn this in to a 'forum war', that serve no one but those trying to curtail our rights.

CGN and CalCCW have differing focuses and differing methodology but both are working towards the same big picture. Let's keep that in mind and work on defeating the people who want to remove our rights instead of on defeating each other.