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CalCCW Thread On the Carry Initiative
There have been no convictions in the state of California for Bullet Buttons (which was invented in 2006) or for OLL's. There are no Category IV AW's due to the OLL movement. The only case where there was a prosecution, the Milpitas Lowers case, was dismissed. Factual findings of innocence were very common.
I challenge you to find me one conviction where an OLL rifle or a bullet button was used and a person was still was convicted of creating an assault weapon (save an admission that they put in a 10+ magazine into an OLL rifle or something similarly stupid). You won't find any. Parroting falsehoods just to be contrarian is a sign of bad moral character.
Except every time it gets posted, CGF directors tell people not to pull this crap. You keep mixing up the stupid posters who ask silly questions (because honestly, anyone can join) with the experts on the CGF Board of Directors.
There sure is. Though every CGF Director posts on CGN, not every CGN member who suggest stupid things is on the board of directors for CGF. Tens of thousands of forum posters, where anyone can join, versus nine board members on the CGF Board who are among the most knowledgable subject matter experts in the firearms field.
Except you're basing this on false information that you yourself are spreading.
The filing of the lawsuit, from what I've read of the suit, had absolutely nothing to do with the changing of the sheriff's seat. The sheriff, in his official capacity, via his county counsel, denied CGF the records it is entitled to as a member of the public per CBS v. Block. Waiting for 2 months to see what Sheriff-elect Dean would do and then ask him nicely again is not how legal stuff works. It has nothing to with publicity, it has everything to do with fixing the carry licensing system throughout the state of California, to the benefit of all people.
You keep trying to make it political and make it about Brooks and Dean. This has zero to do with politics.
Sacramento County Sheriff's now quietly issue licenses to carry with the good cause of "self-defense", because of the Sykes case pressuring them to comply with the constitution. You should be more appreciative of the fact that the CGF freed 1.5 million people, in the near future, millions more and perhaps the entire populations of two states (California and Hawaii). What have you done other than spread falsehoods about other organizations who did these things?
I would post this over at CalCCW.com, but my membership there is on a moderate status (and my posts not approved) because I asked the forum to give me examples of statutory violations of law. The forum administration there decided that rather than accepting an alternative viewpoint to theirs (which supposes that there are statewide restricted places off limits per the application, that the sheriff can require polygraph tests, they can limit guns on the permit), they decided to muzzle me. I ask that folks who post here and who also post at Calccw.com make their displeasure known (without breaking their forum rules or trolling their site) to Ron P and other members of the forum who are parrotting falsehoods about this forum and about CGF.
Originally posted by Rob P.
I challenge you to find me one conviction where an OLL rifle or a bullet button was used and a person was still was convicted of creating an assault weapon (save an admission that they put in a 10+ magazine into an OLL rifle or something similarly stupid). You won't find any. Parroting falsehoods just to be contrarian is a sign of bad moral character.
Then look up the "parts kits" posts about high cap magazines. Seems there's a lot of views that you can sell an entire high cap mag as a "parts kit" and get around the law. This is current stuff.
And, while I know that CGF is not the same as the Calguns website, the website is populated by the same folks as those who run the Calguns Foundation. They have the same goals, and the same views. Thus, the website can be viewed, in part, as the alter ego of the aims and ambitions of CGF. It certainly is the public commentary of the ongoing acts of CGF.
So, in the end it comes down to this...I disagree with SOME of what CGF does. I do this because it's my job to look at the risks of any conduct and advise people of those risks. When I look at what CGF does and advocates; SOME OF IT falls into the "high risk" category in my assessment. Your personal view may be different because you either have more or less information than I do. However, that doesn't change what I know and how I view it.
And, to get this back on track, the OP about the PRR for Ventura County is just one of those types of things. It was done too early knowing that Brooks would probably deny (or ignore) the PRR because he could dump it onto Dean. Then the suit was filed - again too early for Dean to officially act. My question is WHY??? The only answer I can come up with is that CGF needs the publicity. Which is a pretty lousy reason IMO and shows the mentality of the CGF.
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You keep trying to make it political and make it about Brooks and Dean. This has zero to do with politics.
Sacramento County Sheriff's now quietly issue licenses to carry with the good cause of "self-defense", because of the Sykes case pressuring them to comply with the constitution. You should be more appreciative of the fact that the CGF freed 1.5 million people, in the near future, millions more and perhaps the entire populations of two states (California and Hawaii). What have you done other than spread falsehoods about other organizations who did these things?
I would post this over at CalCCW.com, but my membership there is on a moderate status (and my posts not approved) because I asked the forum to give me examples of statutory violations of law. The forum administration there decided that rather than accepting an alternative viewpoint to theirs (which supposes that there are statewide restricted places off limits per the application, that the sheriff can require polygraph tests, they can limit guns on the permit), they decided to muzzle me. I ask that folks who post here and who also post at Calccw.com make their displeasure known (without breaking their forum rules or trolling their site) to Ron P and other members of the forum who are parrotting falsehoods about this forum and about CGF.
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