Demilled firearm... school legal?

[pullnshoot25]

So I have a line on a demilled 1917 Lend-Lease Enfield that was demilled in the UK (bastards) with a massive weld through the barrel and receiver and possibly with the firing pin removed. I have been told that this demilled firearm does not need a DROS (since it is not a firearm anymore) and I am thinking of snagging it for the Marksmanship Club @ UCSD for the purpose of an "authorized school display" under 12555(b)(5) and 12556(d)(9) since it is nothing more than just an "imitation firearm" under 12550(c).

Essentially, as long as I bring it onto campus concealed and only display it for the purpose of a campus display, I should be good to go.

Any contradictory thoughts? Anything I got wrong with this?

I know I have mentioned this before but I don't remember reaching any good conclusions on it.

[AJAX22]

What you have is a dewatt, not a demill.

Or if it was demilled in England (deactivated as they say) and then improted without batfe approval, you have a problem... Unless it was torch cut and welded back together with a solid (batfe) approved mock receiver, it is still considered a firearm and was likely imported illegally


This actually happens all the time, the batfe does not recognize the same definition that the Brits do of what constitutes a firearm, and a lot of stuff mistakenly gets brought over.

[RRichie09]

I do not know anything about the laws reagrding this but I think it might be prudent to speak with a University representative about this matter and receive permission to do so in writing.

I am assuming you are a student of UCSD? You have to be concerned with more than state laws as colleges have other laws regarding students. Example, even if you are 21 you are not allowed to drink on campus ground if the campus is a "dry" campus.

[pullnshoot25]

I do not know anything about the laws reagrding this but I think it might be prudent to speak with a University representative about this matter and receive permission to do so in writing.

I am assuming you are a student of UCSD? You have to be concerned with more than state laws as colleges have other laws regarding students. Example, even if you are 21 you are not allowed to drink on campus ground if the campus is a "dry" campus.

There are no other laws or policies governing this type of activity.

[pullnshoot25]

What you have is a dewatt, not a demill.

Or if it was demilled in England (deactivated as they say) and then improted without batfe approval, you have a problem... Unless it was torch cut and welded back together with a solid (batfe) approved mock receiver, it is still considered a firearm and was likely imported illegally


This actually happens all the time, the batfe does not recognize the same definition that the Brits do of what constitutes a firearm, and a lot of stuff mistakenly gets brought over.

Dammit!

How do schools get away with old 1903A3 drill rifles then? Those don't have mock receivers...

ETA: I think that there is a difference between demilling a full-auto weapon and demilling a normal firearm. There is a ton of crap on DEWAT and demill'd machine guns. Anyone else with knowledge of this?

[pullnshoot25]

Re: Demilled firearm... school legal?

Seriously, no one has any other input on this?

[wash]

It's not a good idea. It will only cause a fight.

Put in an airsoft if you want it to stick around for a while.

If you are looking to start a fight, find something that is more of an issue, you're willing to fight for it and that you know you can win.

[russ69]

I don't want to spread any fud but when I was in high school, bringing a rifle to school was no big deal but it's 2010 now and someone's panties are going to get in a wad, why bother?

Thanx, Russ

[pullnshoot25]

Re: Demilled firearm... school legal?

It's not a good idea. It will only cause a fight.

Put in an airsoft if you want it to stick around for a while.

If you are looking to start a fight, find something that is more of an issue, you're willing to fight for it and that you know you can win.

That would be illegal, wash. Also, there will be no fight over it. What makes you think that I am looking to start one? Criminey dude.

[pullnshoot25]

Re: Demilled firearm... school legal?

I don't want to spread any fud but when I was in high school, bringing a rifle to school was no big deal but it's 2010 now and someone's panties are going to get in a wad, why bother?

Thanx, Russ

Yeah, why bother... I mean, the idea of trying to educate people at a university is just so astoundingly horrific!

[wash]

Still, pick your battles.

Step one get your club well established with a meaningful membership count (50+ would be good).

Step two, raise awareness and determine the existing boundaries put on your free expression.

Step three, lawyer up and pick a fight that you can win.

[CEDaytonaRydr]

Seriously, no one has any other input on this?

We had a whole locker full of M1s at my old ROTC Det. You shouldn't have any problems, as long as it cannot chamber a round.

Ours also had the firing pin hole welded over...

[pullnshoot25]

Re: Demilled firearm... school legal?

Still, pick your battles.

Step one get your club well established with a meaningful membership count (50+ would be good).

Step two, raise awareness and determine the existing boundaries put on your free expression.

Step three, lawyer up and pick a fight that you can win.

I do pick my battles. If this is a battle, then I have picked it.

Step 1. We have over 100 members.

Step 2. WTF do you think the prop gun would be for? It sure as **** isn't for Halloween, I can tell you that. This is in addition to all the other stuff we have done, like first-time buyers workshops, movie nights, flyering, SCCC protest week, etc. Surprisingly, many people on campus are supportive. In fact, we get funds approved before even the more liberal clubs do.

Step 3. Don't need one and I know I am in the clear.

When I win, I will be sure to paint a sign for you, take a photo of Mclub members holding it on campus with the prop gun (maybe a cop?) and then post it all over Calguns.

[wash]

Well good for you.

Just don't bite off more than you can chew...

[dantodd]

That would be illegal, wash. Also, there will be no fight over it. What makes you think that I am looking to start one? Criminey dude.

Awesome. As long as you aren't, as you said, looking to start a fight then ask the administration and see what they think. If they OK the gun then it doesn't matter just how thoroughly it was demilled. Also, a rifle is, by definition not concealable.