LUCC on college campuses

[sqroot3]

To preface what I am about to ask, I want to say that I have read the Calguns wiki GFSZ topic several times and have additionally googled and read a fair amount on the subject. Please don't flame me!

I wanted to clarify with you all--are the following accurate?

1) A person without a CA CCW permit is NOT allowed to carry a gun onto a college campus unless he has written permission from the president or equivalent authority. Therefore, LUCC by non-CCW holders and non-LEO on college campuses is generally illegal unless permission is sought and granted. (PC 626.9)

2) A person who does not have a CA CCW permit, who is not a sworn LEO acting in his scope of duty, and who is not one of the individuals described in PC 12027.1(a)(1) is prohibited from possessing or carrying ammunition onto schools, including college campuses, unless authorized to do so by the president or equivalent authority. Therefore, for the ordinary Joe, even driving through a campus with ammunition you just purchased would be in violation of the law. (PC 12316)

Thank you!!

[Librarian]

That is accurate.

[CaliforniaCarry]

That is accurate.

And sucky for those of us working on college campuses

[pullnshoot25]

Stupid victim disarmament policies...

[N6ATF]

The government prefers only criminals be armed on college campuses. I prefer not to be their female dog.

[PsychGuy274]

I was under the impression that (seeing as LUCC is legal pretty much everywhere) that a college campus (which is not part of 626.9; only K-12) cannot actually enforce this.

They can make a policy against it, but if the college is public (e.g. run by government; and government can't infringe on rights) they can't actually do anything about it because you're not doing anything that's actually ILLEGAL.

Someone please school me on this...

[Turo]

I was under the impression that (seeing as LUCC is legal pretty much everywhere) that a college campus (which is not part of 626.9; only K-12) cannot actually enforce this.

They can make a policy against it, but if the college is public (e.g. run by government; and government can't infringe on rights) they can't actually do anything about it because you're not doing anything that's actually ILLEGAL.

Someone please school me on this...

IIRC it's not a school rule/policy, it's in the actual PC. LUCC is an exception to the 1000' GFSZ law but not to the "no guns on school campus" law.

Whether it's constitutional or not is another story.

[Librarian]

I was under the impression that (seeing as LUCC is legal pretty much everywhere) that a college campus (which is not part of 626.9; only K-12) cannot actually enforce this.

They can make a policy against it, but if the college is public (e.g. run by government; and government can't infringe on rights) they can't actually do anything about it because you're not doing anything that's actually ILLEGAL.

Someone please school me on this...

You have to read further down 626.9 to sub-sections (h) and (i) - colleges/universities are covered as to on-campus, but not zones around them.

[PsychGuy274]

Ah, I see...thanks

[lgm118icbm]

And sucky for those of us working on college campuses

Tell me about it!

[Crom]

And sucky for those of us working on college campuses

Search your Board policies carefully, you may be surprised.

I believe I have discovered that if you have a CCW license and there is no Board policy barring employees from having a firearm, in theory it would be legal to possess while at work and no disciplinary action should occur if you breach concealment.

I have searched ED Code pretty thoroughly and can find no bar against it there either.

Anyone else explored this before?

[sqroot3]

I was unclear about the whole thing and my confusion was almost exactly what PsychGuy articulated. The consensus here seems to confirm that the two statements in my first post are mostly correct...

Geez Crom, most of us don't even have a ccw to be contemplating such luxuries

[Turo]

Crom,
If a person had a ccw permit, they would be exempt from the "no guns on university" law regardless of the school's policy on the issue. The only thing that can happen if you are discovered to be carrying, is that the school could take disciplinary action against you. It is not illegal for a ccw holder to carry on a college campus.

[safewaysecurity]

But carrying a foldable knife concealed on campus is a-ok correct?

[Crom]

I was unclear about the whole thing and my confusion was almost exactly what PsychGuy articulated. The consensus here seems to confirm that the two statements in my first post are mostly correct...

Geez Crom, most of us don't even have a ccw to be contemplating such luxuries

The way I read the PC, it does not bar someone from possessing ammunition on a college campus. College districts have Chancellors and individual colleges have presidents not superintendents like K-12 schools, so I understand this section of the wiki: Ammunition differently than the author of the article.

Also, I have Florida and Utah licenses, and I trust that we'll all have our California licenses within one years time. And I hope sooner for me as I am in San Diego and Peruta will have a judgment soon.

Crom,
If a person had a ccw permit, they would be exempt from the "no guns on university" law regardless of the school's policy on the issue. The only thing that can happen if you are discovered to be carrying, is that the school could take disciplinary action against you. It is not illegal for a ccw holder to carry on a college campus.

I agree on the legality of it. Nobody wants to loose their job. My point was that if there was no board policy against it then an employee can't loose your job over it. Realistically though there are serious political implications to breech of concealment for an employee. It very well may ruin relations with coworkers and negatively affect the future prospects of the employee within the educational community. If it were me I would think long and hard before making that kind of decision.