Sac sheriff race

[hoffmang]

Now that the race is over I can confirm that I expect Jones to be a good friend to gun owners. On other issues, I have no idea.

-Gene

[thebronze]

What do you expect we'll see from Jones? Curious.

A far less stellar performance than we just had with McGinness, for starters.

SSD will be almost unrecognizable in another 4 yrs and I don't mean that in a good way.

If you think you get crappy service now...

[Lone_Gunman]

Frankly at this point in my life the only "service" I expect or require from SSD is to issue me a CCW and not step on the Bill of Rights. My city PD are the ones I call if I have an issue and I always start the conversation with "I'm a member of the xxxxx xxxxxxx area neighborhood watch..." They seem to respond in a timely manner.

[thebronze]

Frankly at this point in my life the only "service" I expect or require from SSD is to issue me a CCW and not step on the Bill of Rights. My city PD are the ones I call if I have an issue and I always start the conversation with "I'm a member of the xxxxx xxxxxxx area neighborhood watch..." They seem to respond in a timely manner.

Those of us that live in the County have to rely on SSD...

[thefinger]

Those of us that live in the County have to rely on SSD...

You know what... no matter who is Sheriff, they have no money to put more troops on the street. That means those of us in county territory are going to be fending for ourselves in the foreseeable future. Its a shame to see neighborhoods that I grew up in (and that I had planned on raising my family in) go to hell because there's no police presence. Virtual CCW couldn't have happened at a better time, because unfortunately we'll probably need it. The county is done for.

[supersonic]

You people that voted for Jones will regret doing so. I guarantee.

I don't doubt you one bit. He has too many strikes against himself: 1.He was McGinness' 'Consigliere' 2. He was backed by McGinness 3. Look what kind of sheriff McGinness was and (probably of even MORE importance) Scott Jones only worked the streets for 6 MONTHS! (Cooper was a dedicated street cop for many years).....And 4.Scott Jones is nothing but a career politician. Just like his predecessor.

In my time on Earth (over 4 decades), you're usually O.U.T. after 3 strikes. And he hasn't even taken office yet.

Jim Cooper is who we desperately needed. It just seems like no matter how much support we give & try to get the 'right guy' elected (in statewide AND national polls) we always seem to get hosed somehow.

Just my .02 (obviously that's all my vote for Cooper was worth)

[hoffmang]

If Jones was Consigliere, who drove the decision to go shall issue and continue to improve the issuance process including removing the school zone restriction then?

Hrm....



-Gene

[wildhawker]

Two comments:

1. No one has yet responded to the implications of the many posts by Gene and me on the Sacto CCW improvements as he most recently restated above.

2. If gun owners were truly politically relevant in California, wouldn't we have noticed it in any one of many gun-centric races this cycle? There was no greater CCW-centered race than in Sacto, and no one was more vocal than Cooper. Why couldn't gun owners get him elected?

How about Sheriff Jay in San Diego?

Hunt(er?) in Orange?

Cortez in SLO?

The NRA/CRPA ratings & endorsements - how many votes did those swing or add? Could we count on just a few hands?

Let this election year serve as a lesson to anyone who thinks they can take guns as a platform into mainstream popular politics in a politically-substantive urban or suburban jurisdiction of California.

(Group open carry, I'm looking at you.)

[CSDGuy]

I don't doubt you one bit. He has too many strikes against himself: 1.He was McGinness' 'Consigliere' 2. He was backed by McGinness 3. Look what kind of sheriff McGinness was and (probably of even MORE importance) Scott Jones only worked the streets for 6 MONTHS! (Cooper was a dedicated street cop for many years).....And 4.Scott Jones is nothing but a career politician. Just like his predecessor.

In my time on Earth (over 4 decades), you're usually O.U.T. after 3 strikes. And he hasn't even taken office yet.

Jim Cooper is who we desperately needed. It just seems like no matter how much support we give & try to get the 'right guy' elected (in statewide AND national polls) we always seem to get hosed somehow.

Just my .02 (obviously that's all my vote for Cooper was worth)

McGinness backed Jones. Cooper was backed by Blanas. Guess who backed McGinness? Yep. Blanas. Whose CCW mess was McGinness stuck with? Blanas. Who has been very vocal about CCW issuance for the past 2 budget cycles? McGinness. Ever wonder why he was so vocal about that??? Who can exert powerful influence over the County Board of Supervisors and has exerted a powerful influence in the Sheriff's Office but ISN'T a Deputy? Probably the same people that are part of the CCW mess from before the days of Blanas. That might just be the reason why the BoS "found" and shuffled some dollars to the SSD at the expense of other County agencies two years ago and a bit this past year too.

It very well could be that McGinness backed Jones because Jones isn't beholden to those people and is probably intelligent enough to pick the right people to run the SSD the way it needs to be run. I don't think it takes a GENIUS to know that the SSD has to be run more efficiently now, because operating budgets are going to be smaller than in years past...

At this point, I think that there'll be some house-cleaning, reassignments, and retirements, just as there inevitably is during each change of command, but only time will tell if the VOTERS made the right decision.

[supersonic]

If Jones was Consigliere, who drove the decision to go shall issue and continue to improve the issuance process including removing the school zone restriction then?

Hrm....



-Gene

Well, if you guys (CGF) hadn't put in all that time/work/$$$ from CGN donations, there wouldn't have been any pressure (read: lawsuits) put on these guys to do what was right. BUT: they had to be forced to do it, plain & simple. If the lawyers hadn't shown up, this county would still be, essentially, "no issue."

McGinness backed Jones. Cooper was backed by Blanas. Guess who backed McGinness? Yep. Blanas. Whose CCW mess was McGinness stuck with? Blanas. Who has been very vocal about CCW issuance for the past 2 budget cycles? McGinness. Ever wonder why he was so vocal about that??? Who can exert powerful influence over the County Board of Supervisors and has exerted a powerful influence in the Sheriff's Office but ISN'T a Deputy? Probably the same people that are part of the CCW mess from before the days of Blanas. That might just be the reason why the BoS "found" and shuffled some dollars to the SSD at the expense of other County agencies two years ago and a bit this past year too.

It very well could be that McGinness backed Jones because Jones isn't beholden to those people and is probably intelligent enough to pick the right people to run the SSD the way it needs to be run. I don't think it takes a GENIUS to know that the SSD has to be run more efficiently now, because operating budgets are going to be smaller than in years past...

At this point, I think that there'll be some house-cleaning, reassignments, and retirements, just as there inevitably is during each change of command, but only time will tell if the VOTERS made the right decision.

You know, your point(s) are duly noted. I'm just pissed off because the truly RIGHT guy didn't win & I put a LOT of effort (as much as I could - I got over 2 dozen people - that I can say for SURE - to vote for him) into "doing what I felt was my part" in trying to get the better man elected. When it all boils down to the bare essentials, no matter who 'backed who,' we now have another politician (FIRST and FOREMOST) as our "Top Cop" rather than a true COP as our 'Top Cop.' And, as someone who probably knows A LOT more about the inner-workings of a police department than most people in this thread stated: we are going to be very sorry Jones is now 'the man.' Mark those words.

[supersonic]

Two comments:

1. No one has yet responded to the implications of the many posts by Gene and me on the Sacto CCW improvements as he most recently restated above.

2. If gun owners were truly politically relevant in California, wouldn't we have noticed it in any one of many gun-centric races this cycle? There was no greater CCW-centered race than in Sacto, and no one was more vocal than Cooper. Why couldn't gun owners get him elected?

How about Sheriff Jay in San Diego?

Hunt(er?) in Orange?

Cortez in SLO?

The NRA/CRPA ratings & endorsements - how many votes did those swing or add? Could we count on just a few hands?

Let this election year serve as a lesson to anyone who thinks they can take guns as a platform into mainstream popular politics in a politically-substantive urban or suburban jurisdiction of California.

(Group open carry, I'm looking at you.)

I'm in complete agreement with you, Brandon. Except that in your statement, I think the word highlighted in red would be more accurate if changed to "'the civilians right to self-defense as the police can't protect them." I guess it is now just plain obvious that the majority here in California truly believe in the 'anti' mindset and that the police will always be there to protect them. I guess it will take a tenfold increase (actually, probably a LOT MORE) in the unarmed sheep to become real victims of violent crimes before the logic of "it CAN happen to me....whooda' thunk?" will start to wake the majority up to what it is like to be told whether or not they have 'permission' to defend themselves. Most of the time, though, THAT is usually too late, or "too little, too late."It's just too bad there isn't a whole lot of common sense out there. It has become a precious, rare commodity.