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  • E Pluribus Unum
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2006
    • 8097

    So, when can we...

    With all the stuff that has gone our way in recent years, I wonder what the time table is on most of our "wish lists".


    What do you think is a reasonable time table for the following wish items:


    A. Throw away our bullet buttons and have a real AR-15

    B. Apply for our "shall issue" CCW or lawfully LOC.

    C. Buy standard capacity magazines in a gun store.

    D. Buy a handgun that is NOT on the roster.

    E. Move to a free state and build a full-auto receiver that was manufactured after 1986 that does not cost $10k.
    Originally posted by Alan Gura
    The Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs
    Originally posted by hoffmang
    12050[CCW] licenses will be shall issue soon.

    -Gene
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    colossians323
    Crusader for the truth!
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 21637

    two weeks
    LIVE FREE OR DIE!

    M. Sage's I have a dream speech;

    Originally posted by M. Sage
    I dream about the day that the average would-be rapist is afraid to approach a woman who's walking alone at night. I dream of the day when two punks talk each other out of sticking up a liquor store because it's too damn risky.

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    • #3
      E Pluribus Unum
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2006
      • 8097

      Originally posted by colossians323
      two weeks
      There's always someone....

      If I got all the items on that list.... I would pinch myself.
      Originally posted by Alan Gura
      The Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs
      Originally posted by hoffmang
      12050[CCW] licenses will be shall issue soon.

      -Gene
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      • #4
        colossians323
        Crusader for the truth!
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2005
        • 21637

        Originally posted by E Pluribus Unum
        If I got all the items on that list.... I would pinch myself.
        I would pinch you too
        LIVE FREE OR DIE!

        M. Sage's I have a dream speech;

        Originally posted by M. Sage
        I dream about the day that the average would-be rapist is afraid to approach a woman who's walking alone at night. I dream of the day when two punks talk each other out of sticking up a liquor store because it's too damn risky.

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        • #5
          yellowfin
          Calguns Addict
          • Nov 2007
          • 8371

          B. Is the closest, A. next closest.
          "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
          Originally posted by indiandave
          In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
          Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.

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          • #6
            the_quark
            Senior Member
            • May 2006
            • 1003

            Originally posted by E Pluribus Unum
            A. Throw away our bullet buttons and have a real AR-15
            Five years, maybe a little longer. We need to get a scrutiny reading before we begin this case.

            B. Apply for our "shall issue" CCW or lawfully LOC.
            I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say we have effectively shall-issue CCW by this time next year. This is my "low probability prediction that if I make it I can beat everyone over the head with it later, but if it fails hopefully no one will remember it." My more realistic appraisal is two years, but I think there's a chance that whole house of cards just collapses.

            C. Buy standard capacity magazines in a gun store.
            "In a gun store?" Maybe never. I think we'll have a route to do it, somehow, within three years. I'd hope we'd have gun stores in seven (it's so long because it's a relatively low priority).

            D. Buy a handgun that is NOT on the roster.
            Well, this one depends on Nordyke being completed, so that won't be in your or my lifetime.

            Seriously, I guess four years? Maybe sooner if another case ends up raising the issue.

            E. Move to a free state and build a full-auto receiver that was manufactured after 1986 that does not cost $10k.
            Barring a political solution (Congress overturning NFA), ten years, at least. Will we have enough pro-gun support in Congress to overturn NFA before that? Political predictions aren't my specialty, but I'm skeptical.
            Brett Thomas - @the_quark on Twitter -
            Founding CGF Director and Treasurer; NRA Life Member; Ex-CRPA Director and Life Member; SAF Life Member; Plaintiff

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            • #7
              stphnman20
              Calguns Addict
              • Feb 2005
              • 6583

              For the BB, Never..
              CCW, Never..
              Buy Standard mags, Never..

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              • #8
                Vbp6us
                Member
                • Aug 2010
                • 236

                Originally posted by stphnman20
                For the BB, Never..
                CCW, Never..
                Buy Standard mags, Never..
                Um...there are open cases for CCW so that one is in the works.

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                • #9
                  b.faust
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 1576

                  Originally posted by the_quark
                  Five years, maybe a little longer.
                  Ouch.

                  My biggest gripe about the BB is the fact that when i want to take a class, I generally have to go out of state.
                  Yes I know I can run featureless, but I don't want to.

                  At least it's good to know it's on the radar, but wow....5 years...
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                  • #10
                    Bizcuits
                    In Memoriam
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 6957

                    Originally posted by stphnman20
                    CCW, Never..
                    Definitely wrong on that one... Several counties are slowly becoming Shall issue.
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                    • #11
                      beauregard
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 2117

                      Originally posted by E Pluribus Unum
                      A. Throw away our bullet buttons and have a real AR-15

                      B. Apply for our "shall issue" CCW or lawfully LOC.

                      C. Buy standard capacity magazines in a gun store.

                      D. Buy a handgun that is NOT on the roster.

                      E. Move to a free state and build a full-auto receiver that was manufactured after 1986 that does not cost $10k.
                      Not while Meg Whitman is Governor.
                      Fools don't fit in the boots that I tread in.

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                      • #12
                        POLICESTATE
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 18185

                        Originally posted by Bizcuits
                        Definitely wrong on that one... Several counties are slowly becoming Shall issue.
                        That's only because of who is sheriff there is it not? We need a change to the law or a court ruling in our favor.
                        -POLICESTATE,
                        In the name of the State, and of the School, and of the Infallible Science


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                        • #13
                          wildhawker
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 14150

                          stphnman20 has brilliantly locked up a roster spot in the CGN "uninformed peanut gallery" all-pro 2011 team.
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                          • #14
                            wash
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 9011

                            Virtual shall issue is a slam dunk. It will happen, the only question is how long it will take. I'm optimistic.

                            The roster may stick around but it might become so inclusive and so easy for a manufacturer to get their product on that it doesn't matter. I think this will happen in late 2011 or 2012.

                            Fighting for standard capacity magazines does not help any other issues at this time so I have no clue when they will get to it. 7 years seem like too long.

                            Like the roster, I think the "assault weapon" ban might survive with an opened up registration and dropped locked transport and lending parts of the law.

                            Machine guns, maybe never. But I think within 10 years CA will allow people to own SBR's and SBS's. Silencers might even be legal again.
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                            You suck!!! Your are wrong!!! Stop it!!!
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                            • #15
                              stitchnicklas
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 7091

                              all will happen after i move to a free state...

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