What will come of this?

[spgk380]

"Arg, why does the DOJ have such a blatant political agenda?"

What it boils down to is the DOJ (a defacto arm of liberal America) wants all firearms to disappear from the state. It will keep chipping away fully autos, Semi autos, all calibers bigger than .22. Soon those will be gone too. Want to see the liberal paradise of the future? Look to many European countries where Airsoft is banned or heavily regulated. We all know people who forbid their sons from playing with cap guns...even nerf guns. John Wayne bad; Elton John good.

Isn't the DOJ supposed to SERVE California gunowners? I would interpret that as giving us directions to the nearest gun store and offering safe handling courses to new gun owners.

hufffff....my rant is now complete

Alright, well, I guess I better hurry up and make my millions so I can retire in Montana.

[C.G.]

[quote=SemiAutoSam;607920]Mr Wayne's Yacht was called the Blue Goose. I dont know if it was moored at his property at that time. But later it was moored here.
The Los Angeles maritime museum,
quote]

Yes, I've seen it at moored at Balboa Island many moons ago, don't know if he kept it moored there permanently.

[ljg17]

Now that several of the counts have been dropped, I think that the focus needs to be on the civil rights and selective enforcement of the laws. Specifically if BWO is convicted of a felony for the possession of the throwing star or weighted gloves, I would be very interested to see how many other cases involving a throwing star are prosecuted to that extent.

[supersonic]

DOJ *did* put up a "notice", something that look official, but actually don't have ANY legal backings...... http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/AWpolicyrev4.pdf

According to this "notice", bullet-button, YOUR MAG-LOCK or any other mag-lock are illegal..... altho... there are MORE legal backings for any of those mag-lock THAN the above notice!!! (the law actually called "a bullet/round" a tool!!)

After reading the "memo", I realized something: NOTHING is PERMANENT! Meaning that any "permanately" welded or riveted fixed mag CAN be restored to "accept a detachable mag." All it takes is some creativity, mechanical know-how, and some tools (including ones of the "high-speed cutting"-type). Technically, you could "cut" out the closed magwell on a carbon15. Am I right or wrong?
S.S.

[Jicko]

After reading the "memo", I realized something: NOTHING is PERMANENT! Meaning that any "permanately" welded or riveted fixed mag CAN be restored to "accept a detachable mag." All it takes is some creativity, mechanical know-how, and some tools (including ones of the "high-speed cutting"-type). Technically, you could "cut" out the closed magwell on a carbon15. Am I right or wrong?
S.S.

Exactly!! That's why "THE *notice*, something that look official, but actually don't have ANY legal backings......"

So, if u go by the law, need a tool = need a tool, either a dremel to cut open the magwell or a "bullet" to poke the button...

[bwiese]

After reading the "memo", I realized something: NOTHING is PERMANENT! Meaning that any "permanately" welded or riveted fixed mag CAN be restored to "accept a detachable mag." All it takes is some creativity, mechanical know-how, and some tools (including ones of the "high-speed cutting"-type). Technically, you could "cut" out the closed magwell on a carbon15. Am I right or wrong?

You are right.

Furthermore, no definition of permanence was specified in the orig proposed regulation (May 31, with comment hearing Aug 16 2006).

The second roundabout - where the proposed regulatory definition was massively changed - produced examples but not a concrete definition of what was or wasn't permanent (i.e, time standard or level of tool/skill required).

I can't remember, but my comments for either or both of the Aug 16 2006 regulatory hearing and/or the Nov 2006 changing-horses-in-the-middle- of-the-stream 're-re-definition' did mention how easily the the approved Carbon15 closed magwell receiver could be rendered open with a simple cutting tool in a matter of a under a minute.

Even more importantly, the DOJ has approved the Vulcan fixed-mag receiver as a 'permanent' fixed mag. Which is rather humorous, since there are numerous reports that these mags can be manhandled out without any tools - the glue cracks and the little pin shears off with minor force. (The FFL vendor that panicked when this happened told me a passerby at his gunshow table had "gorilla'd" the mag out.)

Prior approvals by DOJ of rifles without permanent affixation of mags (the DSA California FAL and the Barrett M82CA rifles) also put the lie to permanence, as these fixed mags can be unscrewed. We also have the famous Iggy statement in Hunt saying that a mag attached with a screw is not considered to be a detachable magazine.

If the DOJ were to further assert this nonsense, they will have to declare these items (totally aside from the whole "SKS problem"!!) as assault weapons, which they can't do now (unless a court orders it) - or give AW 'permits' (not registrations) for these items. They cannot mandate folks to change, surrender or modify existing legally-acquired, legally-approved rifles.

It is very humorous that all the DOJ .PDF memos relating to OLLs and fixed vs detachable mags are unsigned.

[hoffmang]

Bill,

FYI that the "official" introduction date of the proposed regulation was June 30, 2006 after it was posted on the AG's site on June 27, 2006.

-Gene

[bwiese]

Bill,

FYI that the "official" introduction date of the proposed regulation was June 30, 2006 after it was posted on the AG's site on June 27, 2006.

-Gene

Ah yes, lost track. There was some init thing on May 31 IIRC, but that may not have been 'start of clock'.

[Fjold]

That's hilarious because I was on the range day before yesterday listening to listening to a pod cast of the Dennis Miller show under my ear muffs, and he was interviewing the actor Bruce Dern who is, apparently, the only actor who's character ever killed John Wayne's character on film. Dennis made some comment about how people must hate because of that. He says "Yeah, but to this day they love me in Berkeley!" I about AD'ed I was laughing so hard.

Although Bruce Dern is the only named actor to kill John Wayne in a motion picture, he was killed on film twice by unnamed Japanese snipers in "Sands of Iwo Jima" and "The Fighting Seabees" and once by an unnamed Mexican Lancer in "Alamo".

He was also killed by a giant squid in "Reap the Wind" but I don't know who the actor in the squid suit was.