Long Beach PD rescues UOCer from Park Police on Independence Day!!

[N6ATF]

Hm, I wonder if LBPD running the serial was SOP, or if they did that to have either a redundant, or more comprehensive record of your false arrest and battery by the rangers.

[NightOwl]

I posted over on ocdo suggesting that the OP of that thread post here to see if CGF is interested in getting involved (and to what degree if so), and to talk to an attorney. Hopefully he'll come over and say hello.

Would be delightful if he didn't have to wear a fireproof suit to do so, like most people who support OC on this board seem to need. Seriously.

[dieselpower]

To dieselpower If you think this guy only packs at 4th of July events I would bet you are wrong! People get shot,killed raped,kidnapped,and car jacked ever day in broad day! But to think know one Will try and steal your weapon is stupid! There are worse city's than Long Beach i have family there and have been plenty of time's. Dieselpower please let me know what you would do if while at the counter of your local 7-11 two suspect's come in with loaded weapons to rob the place and see you have a nice unloaded pistol. What would you do when they say "give me you gun", And please don't tell me you would load and headshot both like Rambo because remember this is the real world!!!

I would do what I would...What I would do may not be what I would do again or what you would do, in any event what I would do is what I would have done. Its matters not either way. I really have no idea what I would do, and would not commit to a course of action on a forums thread.

You are standing at the beer cooler, a man comes in and doesnt see you or ignores you, pulls a gun and demands the 19yr old girl at the counter give him money. You have a clear shot, background is a solid wall, the girl is well out of your POA, you are 10 feet away behind the criminal. What do you do?

See, I can make up just as many situations as you can. Real life is real life.

Carring a firearm is a legal act. So is burning the American Flag. I will defend both acts, even politically motovated acts, with my life if needed.

[Roccobro]

NightOwl, I think the "Victim" needs a Pro-Bono attny, or funding to get one. His case is solid, but reading his posts he is content with being VALIDATED IN HIS RIGHT TO UOC and doesn't wish to be any poorer after winning this round.

Justin

[Dangerpin]

Donny1: Yes, law abiding citizens should definitely have a fair, unrestricted path to CCW in a "shall-issue" manner. I'm in favor of training, including mandatory refresher training, though I'm unsure how you could require that without creating an economic barrier to certain folks.

Seriously? You really only support the right to bear arms with a seal of approval? Everyone who wants to bear arms should have to ask permission, sign forms, pay tribute and jump through hoops to secure the right?

That doesn't sound like much of a right.

I have to go fill out my 1st amendment forms or I won't be able to post on here anymore. See you when I'm back from the notary!

[RobG]

I would do what I would...What I would do may not be what I would do again or what you would do, in any event what I would do is what I would have done. Its matters not either way. I really have no idea what I would do, and would not commit to a course of action on a forums thread.

You are standing at the beer cooler, a man comes in and doesnt see you or ignores you, pulls a gun and demands the 19yr old girl at the counter give him money. You have a clear shot, background is a solid wall, the girl is well out of your POA, you are 10 feet away behind the criminal. What do you do?

See, I can make up just as many situations as you can. Real life is real life.

Carring a firearm is a legal act. So is burning the American Flag. I will defend both acts, even politically motovated acts, with my life if needed.

I read your other posts and I like the way you think. The whole bad guy sees your gun and wants/takes it always comes up. What if the BG wants your wallet, has a gun in your face, and your are CCW'ing? Does anyone think they are getting a shot off from concealment before said BG fires. Not likely.

[nitrofc]

props to LBPD for setting things straight

No Doubt about it!

[dantodd]

Im not going to get in a debate of if he is right our not. It is his right to open carry, but that said i would expect to go thought the same B.S. every time you do so at a public event!

It's interesting to note that in many predominantly white cities people will call about "someone looking suspicious" every time a minority walks around the block. I guess you believe that those minorities ought to just take it in stride and assume that every time they go to a white neighborhood they should expect and accept that treatment?

No! UOC may be bad policy but it is legal, while it is legal it MUST be respected by police. You can't have the police going around arresting people who are behaving in a lawful manner they don't like.

[Brianguy]

You guys are giving the LBC a bad name, geesh. I lived right by that park and it's a good area. Nothing is going to happen in broad daylight with all those people around. Just across the street is Lakewood and LASD is cruising around all the time.

I'm not saying don't UOC. I'm just defending my hometown

[pullnshoot25]

Wow. Just wow.

I am very dismayed at many of the responses and questions in here.

[Swiss]

With that long jump of yours you should try out for the Olympics. Extrapolating my position on UOC to a general position on RKBA is unsound. Without going off on too much of a tangent, please consider and reply to the following:

1) How do I know a UOCer isn't a hot head who, due to past misdemeanors, was denied a CCW? There are certainly gunowners who suffer from a heightened sense of paranoia, and at least with a CCW I know s/he's been vetted and has some basic skills. Or do you propose that I UOC in order to protect myself from aggressive UOCers?

2) We know the general, non-gunowning public is uncomfortable or afraid around firearms. They've held rallies proclaiming their fear and feel that their own freedom to enjoy public spaces is being infringed. While their argument is unsupportable, why not CCW instead? You eliminate this reaction plus you avoid scrutiny from PD and gangbangers.

3) Do you think we should ignore the fears, groundless as they may seem, of the non-gunowning public? Or do you think we should at least have a conversation with them that includes incremental steps and education as we recapture our rights?

All I'm saying is that UOC is fraught with problems. If we can open up CCW to the general public in a way that emphasizes public safety, everybody goes home happy.

Seriously? You really only support the right to bear arms with a seal of approval? Everyone who wants to bear arms should have to ask permission, sign forms, pay tribute and jump through hoops to secure the right?

That doesn't sound like much of a right.

I have to go fill out my 1st amendment forms or I won't be able to post on here anymore. See you when I'm back from the notary!

[DVSmith]

Swiss, I agree with you 100%. Tolerance and civility is somewhat missing on the site. Just as the Roman's would kill the messenger if they did not like the message, so it is here at calguns.

A person UOC at a public park, although perfectly lawful might poison their application for a CCW. It would be a topic of discussion with the interviewer.
There concern would be towards the applicants judgment. Just as a LEO has to exercise discretion when to intervene and when to wait for the calvary, a person must select carefully when they decide to UOC.

The Burbank Officer who 'lost' control of his weapon and was shot with it last week, serve as a warning to those that want to UOC. When it is exposed, it is a challenge to BD to take it from you. But, the good news is if you have your spouse and children with you, they can help you retain your weapon by jumping in and coming to your aid.

Until one of the various court cases in progress defines Good Cause as 'Self Defense' let's think long and hard about when and where we decide to exercise our right to UOC. Perhaps a Starbuck's with a group of like minded people would be a good choice. And, leave the children at home or select a safer park.

Okay, let's kill the new messenger. I have really thick skin or I would not post on this site, make Case Law at the 9th Circuit and challenger unfair, illegal CCW policies all over California.

Billy Jack
'The Force is strong with this one'

Nice points and it is nice to read your posts when they are not written like someone playing a Native American in a B class western.

[CSACANNONEER]

You guys are giving the LBC a bad name, geesh. I lived right by that park and it's a good area. Nothing is going to happen in broad daylight with all those people around. Just across the street is Lakewood and LASD is cruising around all the time.

I'm not saying don't UOC. I'm just defending my hometown

Wow! This is a prime example of living in denial! You might be surprised at some of the crimes that happen in nice areas, in broad daylight and with a lot of people around. Your statement sounds just like an anti's arguement for banning all weapons. You can go on and keep believing that nothing will ever happen to you or your family because the government will always be there to stop it.

[Shotgun Man]

Wow! This is a prime example of living in denial! You might be surprised at some of the crimes that happen in nice areas, in broad daylight and with a lot of people around. Your statement sounds just like an anti's arguement for banning all weapons. You can go on and keep believing that nothing will ever happen to you or your family because the government will always be there to stop it.

Hurrah!

[Shotgun Man]

Wow. Just wow.

I am very dismayed at many of the responses and questions in here.

Why would you say that without citing specific examples?

I for one don't understand your post.