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  • #31
    Maestro Pistolero
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 3897

    How about the one that says I can't carry a gun in CA? That's the only one that matters.
    www.christopherjhoffman.com

    The Second Amendment is the one right that is so fundamental that the inability to exercise it, should the need arise, would render all other rights null and void. Dead people have no rights.
    Magna est veritas et praevalebit

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    • #32
      curtisfong
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2009
      • 6893

      Originally posted by grammaton76
      You can always buy your large capacity magazines from an armored car company.
      Know any with an online shop?
      The Rifle on the WallKamala Harris

      Lawyers and their Stockholm Syndrome

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      • #33
        Ding126
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2008
        • 4392

        I don't like these polls because there is never just one to pick.

        It also brings to light on how much this state has taken advantage of our rights.

        They've dismissed our constitutional rights and spat on us. This is still happening today...laws passed by emotion and not common sense or facts.
        Last edited by Ding126; 06-22-2010, 10:15 PM.
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        • #34
          Malthusian
          Veteran Member
          • May 2010
          • 4133

          I abhor the roster

          Lets just start from Scratch. Standard Federal 4473 form. Ability to buy guns in any state and bring them back to our home state. Lets limit interstate FTF purchases to 1 in 30 days, no wait, cash and carry with COE. Still have background checks. Still have FFL's for shipping guns. 03 FFL with COE in state cash and carry. No 1 in 30. CCW shall issue with 8 hour defensive training class. No interview, no buddy system. Class certification, COE, application, issue. Loss of COE, loss of permit. Roster, what roster, old news. Same with DROS.. bye bye.

          10 day wait, not really a big deal except for FTF in State transfers over long distance, hence 03FFL + COE exemption.
          Opps without DROS this wouldn't be an issue. OK I need to refer to committee on person to person transfers.

          My main concern is handguns. So I would volunteer to be on the handgun committee to revise the state of decay.

          I leave the minutia of detail to the AR guys for AW revisions.

          Originally posted by joedogboy
          Because Miller basically stated that weapons without military/militia application do not have as much protection under the 2A, it seems like it should actually be cited as precedent in favor of overturning "AW" bans.

          California's "AW" bans have specifically targeted firearms that have the most resemblance (physical and practical) with actual military firearms, and that use parts and ammunition that re interchangeable with military arms - things that make them the most suitable firearms for citizens to use in their capacity as an unorganized "militia", either serving independently, or in conjunction with the active duty and reserve components of the armed forces.

          Flash suppressor - useful for militia.
          Bayonet lug - useful for militia.
          High Cap magazine - useful for militia.
          Detachable magazine - useful for militia.
          Ability to accept standard GI M-16/M-4 mags, ammo, and spare parts - useful for militia.

          The unfortunate side effect of such a legal challenge to the patently unconstitutional "AW" bans is that it could then be used as an argument in favor of banning all firearms that are not in military calibers or military-type configurations.
          +1 Excellent
          Last edited by Malthusian; 06-22-2010, 6:16 PM.
          "While it may come as a surprise to the authors of the legislation, most semi-automatic pistols do in fact come with a pistol grip"
          Malthusianism is the idea that population growth is potentially exponential while the growth of the food supply is arithmetical at best.

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          • #35
            NorCal MedTac
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2006
            • 599

            Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
            1933 NFA
            +1. Its a house of cards from then on.
            http://www.norcalmedtac.com
            Providing CPR and First Aid training, to small groups and individuals; NRA classes; Defensive Medicine, Defensive Pistol, Defensive Carbine, and Defensive Shotgun classes.


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            • #36
              FatalKitty
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 2942

              Originally posted by Dr Rockso
              That's how it was debated for decades, but really Miller didn't directly address the individual right vs collective (militia) right issue. Neither Miller nor Layton were a part of any militia, the only thing that the court addressed was the SBS's perceived lack of suitability as a military weapon.
              I wonder if they considered the remington 870 MCS system
              indeed configured as a breaching or QCB weapon that obviously needs to be short.
              you don't rise to the occasion,
              you just fall back on your level of training.

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              • #37
                Dr Rockso
                Veteran Member
                • Jan 2008
                • 3701

                Originally posted by FatalKitty
                I wonder if they considered the remington 870 MCS system
                indeed configured as a breaching or QCB weapon that obviously needs to be short.
                I don't think those existed in 1939

                And the other thing to remember is that there was nobody to argue the other side of the case to SCOTUS at the time. Neither Miller nor his attorney went to Washington or even submitted a brief...the solicitor general got to say whatever he wanted without rebuttal. By the time the court issued its opinion Miller had been dead for a month.

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                • #38
                  oso grande
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 866

                  Originally posted by Cali-Shooter
                  Oh yeah, don't forget the dreaded CA Handgun List. It never ends, we can think up loony CA gun laws that actually exist here all day long.
                  +1 for the list.
                  How can a handgun be deemed safe for a year and, because the manufacturer did not pay the ransom, become unsafe?

                  OG

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                  • #39
                    John Sukey
                    Junior Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 55

                    How about getting to the root of the matter. Abolish the leftist dimocrats and their Rino buddies.!

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                    • #40
                      grammaton76
                      Administrator
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 9511

                      Originally posted by curtisfong
                      Know any with an online shop?
                      Not at present. However, at present it would be very easy to get the legislature to amend the law if one were to start selling online.

                      ...this will probably become significantly harder to do post-Macdonald, although the need for an armored car company middleman would probably be short-lived anyway.
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                      • #41
                        Ford8N
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 6129

                        922(r)

                        Cheap kits FTW!

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