Gun show laws.please help!!!!

[REH]

He sounds OK. I don't believe there will be any Black Helicopters flying around your house tonight.

[Cokebottle]

well you're obviously not a C&R FFL or you wouldn't have posted this. But I believe the guy that sold you the gun probably was. If so, then I think you're covered under the Infrequent Sales clause...not totally sure though. Personally, i would have gotten something in writing from him stating that i don't need to DROS for 10 days and that he's a licensed dealer. Could have very well been some dude just wanting to get rid of a stolen rifle!!!

DROS/10 day does not apply to C&R if it is a PPT/FTF transaction of a long gun... Neither the buyer nor seller have to have the 03 FFL to qualify for this. The 03 FFL is only needed to receive shipment of a C&R.
Yes, all handguns require DROS/registration.

http://www.empirearms.com/cal-ffl.htm

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=85

An additional advantage of the 03 FFL, if accompanied by a COE, is that it exempts the 10-day wait and "once every 30 days" rules for C&R handguns.

I think the main advantage to the 03 FFL is the discounts from online dealers

The only potential issue is that he was selling at a gun show. If he bought a booth, then he would be in violation of the "infrequent sales" statute... and that would apply whether he was an 03 FFL or not... the 03 FFL does not a "dealer" make.
But that violation would fall on the seller, not the buyer. The risk the buyer might face would be confiscation of the gun and his receipts for evidentiary purposes. Since the sale itself would have been illegal, I don't know if he would be able to get it back after the trial.

[Cokebottle]

DOJ "erases" after 5 days. I don't know about that one . When inspected by DOJ they have all the DROS's. that includes long guns, from one year back and you better not be missing one.

I share your skepticism regarding the DOJ not retaining the information.
"Erases" may not have been the proper term... they do maintain the fact that "a long gun was sold on xx/xx/xx", but supposedly they do not retain the buyer's information, and I was told that the serial number of the gun does not even appear on the transmitted form.

[REH]

"infrequent sales" statute... You can not buy a table at a gun show? I thought it applied only to the amount of sales per year, not where they are sold.

Richard

[gotgunz]

Good thing you brother in law is not an attorney; he'd starve giving advice like this.

[tacopuncher]

I bought the gun from kenneth at armory of orange.

[REH]

I share your skepticism regarding the DOJ not retaining the information.
"Erases" may not have been the proper term... they do maintain the fact that "a long gun was sold on xx/xx/xx", but supposedly they do not retain the buyer's information, and I was told that the serial number of the gun does not even appear on the transmitted form.

That would be correct. There is no information about the long gun when transmitted to the DOJ. I have been inspected and info about the date and buyer of the long gun was on the printout one year latter.

[tacopuncher]

i bought it at a table.Not from some dude pulling a wagon.

[REH]

So I'm good then.

not legal advice but just opinion..

I guess I'm just confused with all the laws in cali.I'm no criminal just a guy that likes to shoot.

Enjoy your new rifle..........................

[Cokebottle]

"infrequent sales" statute... You can not buy a table at a gun show? I thought it applied only to the amount of sales per year, not where they are sold.

He can certainly buy a table, same as anyone else....
But I would question the wisdom of anyone who would pay GS table prices for selling a couple of C&Rs.

Now, if it's a small club and 10 or 20 guys get together to buy the table and they each work the show until their guns are sold, that would certainly be okay.

[REH]

He can certainly buy a table, same as anyone else....
But I would question the wisdom of anyone who would pay GS table prices for selling a couple of C&Rs.

Now, if it's a small club and 10 or 20 guys get together to buy the table and they each work the show until their guns are sold, that would certainly be okay.

I would suggest a better chance for a sale. AKA.............more people who like guns

[Cokebottle]

I would suggest a better chance for a sale. AKA.............more people who like guns

True... but what's a table with no power cost?
Couple of hundred bucks or more?
It's going to take more than "infrequent sales" of overpriced C&Rs to make it worth it unless it's just someone wanting to dump their collection.

[G17GUY]

Please give your brother a copy of this

http://www.calgunlaws.com/index.php/topic-summaries/506-a-brief-explanation-of-antique-curio-and-relic-firearms.html

Modern firearms have to be purchased/ transferred through a dealer;however, that is not what you purchased.

Pistols get purchased/ transferred through a dealer as well as getting registered.

[REH]

True... but what's a table with no power cost?
Couple of hundred bucks or more?
It's going to take more than "infrequent sales" of overpriced C&Rs to make it worth it unless it's just someone wanting to dump their collection.

$65.00

[johnthomas]

I'm fairly new to gun ownership so pardon my ignorance but i just got a 91/30 from big 5 that is registered correct.so how do i prove that I'm the owner, or if it is stolen ?

No, you do a dros to check your eligibilty to own a long gun. As stated, the doj doesn't keep records on long guns. Can one be traced? Yes The seller, big 5 logs long guns in and out to the buyer.A c&r is a curio and relic, if it is long gun over 50 years old, you can sell from person to person. There are rules on who can buy them. Also as stated, keep the receipt from the private seller as proof of ownership.