Latest UOC LEA Memo

[nicki]

Good Memmo for Santa Clara county.

Maybe we could spread this to the rest of the police, then create a map for Santa Clara county with all no carry zones circled.

Perhaps a meeting with the county DA may be in order.

I still believe we should stand down on UOC till after we get incorporation, but getting the ball rolling now will save unneeded grieve for both sides.

Nicki

[Decoligny]

Maybe we could spread this to the rest of the police, then create a map for Santa Clara county with all no carry zones circled.

Perhaps a meeting with the county DA may be in order.

I still believe we should stand down on UOC till after we get incorporation, but getting the ball rolling now will save unneeded grieve for both sides.

Nicki

And if perchance you accidentally enter one of the "no carry zones" and have the map on you, your defense about "knows, or should reasonably know, that you were in a school zone" goes the way of the dinosaur. EXTINCT.

Any information that you carry with you can and will be used against you.

[wash]

Maps are bad, it can hurt people that accidentally wander in to a school zone.

[Mulay El Raisuli]

I always used to get Sunnyvale and Sunnydale a bit mixed up, but now I can remember a little better. Unloaded open carry = Sunnyvale, loaded concealed carry (and a little gunplay) = Sunnydale.

Which leads me to thoughts of Riverdale.

Do you think we'll ever see Betty & Veronica packin' heat?

The Raisuli

[GrizzlyGuy]

Would someone please explain to me, in a non-inflammatory or rhetorical manner, why there is such resistance to allowing a LEO to do a serial number check on a weapon?

Save/spare me the constitutional/4th Amendment argument standing alone. I'm asking what's the practical effect that concerns you all?

The handgun may not be registered, or it may be registered to someone else (i.e., you borrowed it). If a LEO wanted to charge you with 12025 concealed carry (e.g., claiming your shirt came untucked and partially concealed it or whatever) a sentence enhancement applies since the handgun isn't registered to YOU and you have ammo in your possession. That's per 12025(b)(6).

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12025.html

If they arrested you first, it would be moot, as they would then be able to "search" for the number and run it. But giving them an additional reason to be suspicious in the first place (ex: so that they watch your shirt-tucking more closely) isn't desirable.

[Meplat]

Would someone please explain to me, in a non-inflammatory or rhetorical manner, why there is such resistance to allowing a LEO to do a serial number check on a weapon?

Save/spare me the constitutional/4th Amendment argument standing alone. I'm asking what's the practical effect that concerns you all?

Practical effect? erosion of rights.

[Meplat]

If your only argument is that you have a reasonable expectation of privacy as to your serial number, I think it's a weak one. My humble suggestion is that you not spend time and energy thinking of or devising ways to hinder law enforcement, but embrace it as a reasonable byproduct of lawful UOC.

[Meplat]

I would be very tempted to find some sort of 80% frame to finish for a UOC gun.

No registration and 100% legal if not concealed.

I got one. A 1911, not very reliable do to the fact I didn't do my part well. But it would drive them nuts. Never thought about that.

[bad_ace]

Thanks go to bad_ace over on OCDO. He did the PRAR request that uncovered this.

Thanks MudCamper for cross posting this on CalGuns. I wish I had the time to keep up with the rapid fire posts here on calguns.net

Progress is underway, this week I've had 2 LEOs just wave (facing my strong side) instead of 'e' checking.

[wash]

It's my opinion and shared by many others that UOC is not a good idea until we have a decision on second amendment incorporation through McDonald vs. Chicago.

That will be some time next summer. There might be slight delays after that because of pending lawsuits that are waiting on the McDonald vs. Chicago ruling also.

Please help our cause and do not UOC until we know that it will not hurt us.

[dantodd]

Thanks MudCamper for cross posting this on CalGuns. I wish I had the time to keep up with the rapid fire posts here on calguns.net

Progress is underway, this week I've had 2 LEOs just wave (facing my strong side) instead of 'e' checking.

I assume this was in Sunnyvale?

[DrjonesUSA]

How do these findings and the law on UNLOADED open carry apply to rifles?





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[Librarian]

How do these findings and the law on UNLOADED open carry apply to rifles?

Rifles are, by definition, not concealable. It isn't possible to violate 12025 by carrying a rifle (that hasn't been illegally modified to be too short). If you want to carry an unloaded M1A under your raincoat, you won't usually be violating any laws, any more than if you sling it over your shoulder.

That's even legal, according to CA law, in school zones - but it's ILLEGAL according to FEDERAL GFSZ law.