Wow... had a felon try to sell me stuff...

[bwiese]

In CA, I'm pretty sure felons can't own magainzes or "ammunition feeding devices".

[jumbopanda]

But if you buy a magazine from him, specifically which law would you be violating?

[Matt C]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there doesn't seem to be a law against buying hi caps, only selling, manufacturing and importing.

Yeah, but is it really any surprise that CA DOJ does not even know what is illegal and what is not, and thus could have enganged in a clumsy game of entrapment where the only person who did anything illegal was the agent? Idiots.

Once again, I want to say, try that with me and you will go down hard and fast, anyone else popping out at that point I would have to assume to be more felon friends of the first guy.

This whole thing is making me re-think my general level of tactical preparedness while away from home, for example at one point I would have considered it VERY paranoid to wear body armor around under my clothes off duty. I'm re-thinking that.

[hoffmang]

There is no law that bans felons from owning large-capacity magazines. This high capacity word is a colloquial. The Penal Code says large-capacity.

I personally think my tinfoil hat is on too tight, but my office has had a noticeable police presence it didn't use to have.

I'm tempted to walk out and offer them a cup of coffee tomorrow.

And entrapment based on not understanding that buying large-cap magazines isn't a crime is not something I'd put past a game of telephone between CA DOJ and local LEA.

-Gene

[jumbopanda]

Ya know, since buying isn't a crime, you might have missed out on the chance to legally score a bunch of hicaps. I'm actually fairly serious about this...

[kurac]

It may have been entrapment but if you did make a purchase, I am sure it would have been enough to get a search warrant for your place, maybe that is what they were after.

[rodgster]

It may have been entrapment but if you did make a purchase, I am sure it would have been enough to get a search warrant for your place, maybe that is what they were after.

[E Pluribus Unum]

In order for all of this to occur this way it must be illegal.

The buyer has committed no crime... he is not an accessory any more that one is an accessory in the following case:

Man A steals a widget.
Man A sells said widget to man B.
Man B is caught with widget by police.

Man B is guilty of posession of stolen property and receiving stolen property; NOT accessory to steal widgets.

Unless of course I am ignorant to the law which of course someone will stomp on me and make me look like the idiot I am....


If I understand the law correctly in order for the buyer to be breaking the law they would have to legislate a new crime "posession of illegally transfered magazine" or "receiving hi capacity magazine".

If home depot sells a man a brick and he goes across the street and uses the brick to break into the shop, does that make Home Depot an accessory?

[Wulf]

What kinda was running that sting?

The more I read and the more detials I get the more I'm convinced JP's been targeted by somebody....DOJ most likely (real law enforcement , you know, those guys that anwser 911 calls and try to do a little serving and protecting inbetween calls) doesnt have to time to surf Calguns from their office looking for somebody to persecute....prosecute.....whatever.

Since you ask what kind of clown. This sounds like EXACTLY the kind of sting a out of touch, inexperienced, soccer mom who found herself unexpectidly in possession of a badge and a law enforcement job, who doesnt really know anything about guns, the lawfull shooting and gun owning public, that spends her days emailing with the people who concieved the idea that there's a fellon on every corner selling guns and high capacity assault weapons out of the trunk of their car, might cook up out of despiration to save her paycheck. Just saying

Its just WAAAAAAAY too close to the Brady Bunch view of the world to be real.

[Ford8N]

The odds are to high and the language to strange. Your first "gut feel" is probably right. They monitor this site and go to gun shows. It also might have been another LE agency other than the State.

[Aluisious]

In order for all of this to occur this way it must be illegal.

The buyer has committed no crime... he is not an accessory any more that one is an accessory in the following case:

Man A steals a widget.
Man A sells said widget to man B.
Man B is caught with widget by police.

Man B is guilty of posession of stolen property and receiving stolen property; NOT accessory to steal widgets.

Unless of course I am ignorant to the law which of course someone will stomp on me and make me look like the idiot I am....


If I understand the law correctly in order for the buyer to be breaking the law they would have to legislate a new crime "posession of illegally transfered magazine" or "receiving hi capacity magazine".

If home depot sells a man a brick and he goes across the street and uses the brick to break into the shop, does that make Home Depot an accessory?

If the other shop is Lowe's, then yes.

[edwardm]

Can you sustantiate this? I see nothing in PC 12000 et. seq. that disables ownership of magazines or ammunition feeding devices.

In CA, I'm pretty sure felons can't own magainzes or "ammunition feeding devices".

[kurac]

Do you want to know why they target honest law abiding citizens?

Because that is the easiest thing to do. Do you think they want to try and catch the guy that would be happy to take a shot at them or would they rather go after a honest hard working person who they know will peacefully surrender because he wants to go on living a peacefull life.

How many murders did we have in the state last year?

How many were commited by Gun enthusiasts and collectors?

If we worked for the government and had families that we wanted to go back home to everynight, who would we go after, the hardened criminal or the hardworking tax paying law abiding citizens.

My belief is that most state and Federal agencies that are composed mostly of average folks are quite scared of the criminal element in this country. If they really wanted to make a difference, they should watch the 10PM news to find out what areas to canvas.

[Forever-A-Soldier]

Yeah, I have to go with some type of sting operation on this. You (JPglee), being a bit high profile on Calguns is randomly selected by a very literate and precise felon who just happens to have items you might be specifically interested in? Keywords to sting: "Galil" and "High Capacity Magazines." Average Joe Felon, if he knew you'd be interested would have said "AK clips" "banana clips" and I highly doubt that "Galil" would come into play at all.

I suppose DOJ has tracked who you are by name, gotten your address and driving records, tailed you to Blockbuster and then setup a possible sting. I'm not usually the "tin-foil-hat" type of guy, but I'd be wondering hard about this myself if I was you.

Keep us posted!

F.A.S. Out

[NextTimeAround]

It doesn't sound right. Outside of Blockbuster? I can understand a gun show, but renting movies?