No sales to the PRK

[joefrank64k]

There are many vendors that up until recently didn't sell to CA. That all changed when they saw a few of their competitors making huge sales here.

Whoever this particular vendor is, he's a little behind the times. In the past year alone, attitudes towards Californians have greatly improved. People are starting to see that we're not all a bunch of idiots, but rather we're "behind enemy lines," and that we're helping change things for the better.

The best way to deal with this is to send the non-CA selling vendor a message, and then take your business elsewhere.

This is basically what happened to LaRue, and now he not only sells to us, but he donates $1000 a month to CGF to help us out.

And to answer the questions about Barrett: they sell to non-LEA's only, which is a pretty cool statement.

+1 my friend...while there are a few ignorant retailers out there, I find that there are MORE enlightened retailers. I can get anything I need that is legal in this state from several OOS retailers and I pay the exact same price as everyone else in the country (well, I may pay more for shipping )...

[yellowfin]

We always moan about guilty until found innocent but do we have to be guilty by association to other people in this state as well? Gunnies in anti-gun states deserve the most since they're the ones still actively fighting for the 2A cause. People in the so called "free states" insult us for living in a nanny state while sitting around and enjoying the rights for which those here fight. Who, really, is the hypocrite.

Until Calguns started publicizing the successful efforts of CA's NRA and CGF (and the few years before they were formally known as such), exactly how did anyone have a means of knowing that there is a serious pro gun effort? Even now it's still not as widely known as it should be. Who do you think they can more easily see, the few thousand active and motivated pro RKBA people or the millions of anti gun voters and the hell creatures they elect?

[thefurball]

Any seller that won't sell legal items to California residents is doing the antis work for them...

It is aside from my original point, but the item in question was a prohibited item as it stood. (Pistol with magazine outside the grip)

[TRICKSTER]

I think that some just look at what other sellers are doing and if they see the "this is illegal in CA" FUD, they just believe it because they are too lazy to check for themselves.

Some sellers seem to be learning. I have been watching a rifle on one of the auction sites that had a "No sales to CA" listing. It has cycled through twice with no bids. It just happened to be a rifle that I wanted to purchase but I figured that I was tired of trying to educate these guys and I would just wait for a more enlightened seller. Guess what? when it was listed for the third time, the "No CA sales" was gone from the listing. I purchased the rifle and hopefully the seller has learned that CA is where the money and the buyers are.

As far as voting out the anti's, I don't see it happening anytime soon. Just look at all the members here that claim to support the 2nd, but support the party that comes up with and passes these stupid laws. If we can't get gun owners to see that they are contributing to the problem, how can we convince the people that don't own guns and don't care.

[B Strong]

It is aside from my original point, but the item in question was a prohibited item as it stood. (Pistol with magazine outside the grip)

That makes this a little different deal.

Did you attempt to communicate to the seller and enlist the help of a middleman FFL dealer that would modify the rifle into a CA. compliant configuration?

[dantodd]

"Ships to USA only. Cannot be sold to CA, CT, HI, MD, MA, NY, Toledo, OH or Aurora, IL - - WHY? Ask your legislators!"

What a short sighted punk that vendor is. Think about it. How do we make the changes that are required in California? We do it be buying guns, getting others involved and putting pressure on from outside.

If these morons refuse to sell to CA they are absolutely no help to the cause. They want to sit on the sidelines until it's "easy" be my guest but expect no business from me. You want my business become my partner in getting these laws changed by changing the gun culture, do this by getting as many guns in CA as possible so they are no longer seen as some sort of bizarre anomaly when non-gun people encounter them.

[bodger]

Elections are won not by the popular vote but by the Blind-Vote. I am willing to bet money that most of the votes any candidate recieves are by chance. How many people who vote actually know anything about who they are voting for? If most voters were educated about who they were voting for I don't think things would be as bad as they are.

Probably true. But I'll bet there are cases where an anti-gunner votes for a
2A friendly politician without knowing it as well. And if they did know the candidate's stance on gun rights, they might vote the other direction.

What the hell, this state is anti-gun and controlled for now by liberal nannies.

[bodger]

What a short sighted punk that vendor is. Think about it. How do we make the changes that are required in California? We do it be buying guns, getting others involved and putting pressure on from outside.

If these morons refuse to sell to CA they are absolutely no help to the cause. They want to sit on the sidelines until it's "easy" be my guest but expect no business from me. You want my business become my partner in getting these laws changed by changing the gun culture, do this by getting as many guns in CA as possible so they are no longer seen as some sort of bizarre anomaly when non-gun people encounter them.

And if these hard-line smug vendors who won't sell to us think it can't happen in their state, they are dead wrong. All of them are only one election or one anti-gun law away from seeing their rights slowly chipped away at as well. They don't see that though.

[yellowfin]

And if these hard-line smug vendors who won't sell to us think it can't happen in their state, they are dead wrong. All of them are only one election or one anti-gun law away from seeing their rights slowly chipped away at as well. They don't see that though.

Let's look at this. Do they live under law of a long legal precent against firearms owners and an almost unilaterally controlled judiciary? Do they have a complete cultural segregation and a brow beaten minority in hiding, so badly beaten as to be in fear of even having an NRA bumper sticker, that comprises most of their gun ownership? Do they have an entirely self electing government that has absolutely nothing to fear from the voters and shares virtually none of their interests? Do they have a society permeated and even controlled by psychotically anti gun, anti Anglo, anti capitalist, and anti traditional America demagogues?

My guess would be no. So to expect them to see it as clear as you do is like expecting Stevie Wonder to have extensive commentary on Monet and Renoir.

[nick]

That's why we weren't founded as a democracy, but as a republic - so that rights aren't subject to the tyranny of the majority. Of course, that presumes judges with at least some integrity. Seen any of those lately?

[Sabot]

There are some web-sites that won't ship ammo to Ventura County (Sportsman's Guide, Samco). I don't know why.

[KylaGWolf]

Well then that particular vendor is going to lose out on the amount of money I drop on guns and such. There are enough other companies that will sell to CA residents so I would much rather help them to keep their company to stay afloat in this economy then someone that is like that.

As to your comment to those of that don't write....nice to assume. In my time here on Calguns and even before I have been one to fight against bad bills.

Honda I tend to look really hard at the candidates that are running long before I go to the polls to vote as does my parents and my other half. I think part of the problem is that a lot of people just don't care. Most every election has low turn out.

[Flopper]

There are some web-sites that won't ship ammo to Ventura County (Sportsman's Guide, Samco). I don't know why.

Certain municipalities have ammo sales and/or shipment restrictions, and Ventura county is one of them.

[Sunwolf]

Let's look at this. Do they live under law of a long legal precent against firearms owners and an almost unilaterally controlled judiciary? Do they have a complete cultural segregation and a brow beaten minority in hiding, so badly beaten as to be in fear of even having an NRA bumper sticker, that comprises most of their gun ownership? Do they have an entirely self electing government that has absolutely nothing to fear from the voters and shares virtually none of their interests? Do they have a society permeated and even controlled by psychotically anti gun, anti Anglo, anti capitalist, and anti traditional America demagogues?

My guess would be no. So to expect them to see it as clear as you do is like expecting Stevie Wonder to have extensive commentary on Monet and Renoir.

Exactamundo.

[Roadrunner]

Barrett has cut off CA Law Enforcement, but AFAIK, he did not cut the public off from his CA-legal firearms. I do not know if he will californicate his AR-pattern firearm, but his non-50BMG rifles are OK for CA. One of the reasons they made the .416Barrett was for CA sales.

I think that if all, or at least more manufacturers took the Barrett approach, California government would look at firearms and where they come from in a new light. Unfortunately, manufacturers will "prostitute" themselves for the almighty government contract and at the peril of the lawful gun owner, and the general welfare of the firearms industry.