No sales to the PRK

[thefurball]

[Begin rant]

I finally found a vendor that spells it out in plain English.

And I quote here:

"Ships to USA only. Cannot be sold to CA, CT, HI, MD, MA, NY, Toledo, OH or Aurora, IL - - WHY? Ask your legislators!"

Ask our legislators indeed. We all really need to work harder to become a royal pain in the rump to everyone from the Gov on down when it comes to 'gun control' issues.

Are you one of those folks that can't be bothered to call or write your representative and doesn't vote because "it doesn't matter anyway"? If so, then shut up and bend over as you forfeited your right to complain.

My $.02 worth.

[End rant]

[Jason762]

I think sellers like that are arseholes.

It is doubtful that if half of the pro-2A supports in California called Sacramento, anything would change. It's like a zip tie, once they've gotten that loop, you can't reverse it. You just gotta cut ties.

It's gotta be taken to the courts.

That said, people who won't sell to CA are making a mistake. If anything we should get more firearms/magazines/ammo/etc. It's California after all. They can get it at their leisure, us Californians really can't. Not only that, but we pay a premium when we can!

Jason

[CavTrooper]

This guy needs to adjust his message. Instead of "ask your legislators" it should read "look in the mirror"!

Legislators dont elect themselves, and tar and feather are readily avalible.

No one to blame but the people.

[high_revs]

i agree though some don't understand the laws either and are just fearful. which is why i support a lot of the OOS (and in-state) vendors that sell to us that take time to understand our laws. larue might be an example though I don't know if he's still not selling lowers to PRK.

but i can see the point that "these issues" are our own fault (state and not necessarily calgunners) by putting the wrong people in office with their party's agenda and for political gain.

[phamkl]

Exactly.

My neighbors voted for the anti-gunner so obviously I'm a hypocritical gun owner who doesn't deserve products from sellers who aren't in this state. Apparently.

We always moan about guilty until found innocent but do we have to be guilty by association to other people in this state as well? Gunnies in anti-gun states deserve the most since they're the ones still actively fighting for the 2A cause. People in the so called "free states" insult us for living in a nanny state while sitting around and enjoying the rights for which those here fight. Who, really, is the hypocrite.

[sharpie613]

Awesome. Another "why didn't you guys fix this" rant. You know why we lose? We are outnumbered. We have an at best apathetic public, a hostile media, legislature and a less than ideal public image. All of our victories have to be in the courts, where common sense is more likely than with the group of entitled primadonnas in Sacramento. We keep to keep asking questions like "Why doesn't the Bill of Rights apply to the people?" Our form of lobbying will never have the effect we hope it does as long as the idiots think they can pull votes by being dumb(something they do with depressing frequency).

You want to change things?

Take an evil liberal shooting. Shut the heck up about politics. Just enjoy it and let them enjoy it. This is not a fast process but it does work. It especially works with children.

California is going to have to be made to change by courts and case law. As long as the morons keep going back to Sacramento, they feel empowered to pull this crap.

[cmonk518]

Many sellers and vendors boycott CA simply based on principle. If CA is going to make up all these stringent anti-gun laws, why should a multi-billion dollar industry (guns,ammo, etc.) support a state that is boosted with their profits, taxes, and such. Many of your hugest vendors don't support this idea and even companies like STI or BARRETT don't sell anything anymore in CA.

As a huge statement, I believe Barrett doesn't even sell new rifles to Law Enforcement in CA anymore. That's how much they hate CA gun laws....

[ke6guj]

Many of your hugest vendors don't support this idea and even companies like STI or BARRETT don't sell anything anymore in CA.

As a huge statement, I believe Barrett doesn't even sell new rifles to Law Enforcement in CA anymore. That's how much they hate CA gun laws....

Barrett has cut off CA Law Enforcement, but AFAIK, he did not cut the public off from his CA-legal firearms. I do not know if he will californicate his AR-pattern firearm, but his non-50BMG rifles are OK for CA. One of the reasons they made the .416Barrett was for CA sales.

[Flopper]

There are many vendors that up until recently didn't sell to CA. That all changed when they saw a few of their competitors making huge sales here.

Whoever this particular vendor is, he's a little behind the times. In the past year alone, attitudes towards Californians have greatly improved. People are starting to see that we're not all a bunch of idiots, but rather we're "behind enemy lines," and that we're helping change things for the better.

The best way to deal with this is to send the non-CA selling vendor a message, and then take your business elsewhere.

This is basically what happened to LaRue, and now he not only sells to us, but he donates $1000 a month to CGF to help us out.

And to answer the questions about Barrett: they sell to non-LEA's only, which is a pretty cool statement.

[thefurball]

... As long as the morons keep going back to Sacramento, they feel empowered to pull this crap.

Q: So who do you think keeps sending the morons back to Sacramento year after year (which was kinda the point of my rant to start with)?

A: The 15% that actually shows up to vote backed up by the 85% that sit at home, don't bother to vote and moan about how bad it is or how ignorant some out of state vendor is that elects not to do business with anyone residing here.

[PEBKAC]

It seems to me that part of the problem is we all basically have two choices in most races, and in each case whichever choice you vote for you get the proverbial baby, bathwater, tub, and kitchen sink associated with that candidate...and the people vote based on the baby and possibly the bathwater, but don't care so much about the tub or the kitchen sink. And the tub or kitchen sink seems to be where the problem is in most cases, due to the fact that most people not caring about the tub or kitchen sink works both ways...they don't really care that much if we loosen or tighten gun laws, after all it does not affect them (or so they think).

That's what I see anyway.

[Merc1138]

It seems to me that part of the problem is we all basically have two choices in most races, and in each case whichever choice you vote for you get the proverbial baby, bathwater, tub, and kitchen sink associated with that candidate...and the people vote based on the baby and possibly the bathwater, but don't care so much about the tub or the kitchen sink. And the tub or kitchen sink seems to be where the problem is in most cases, due to the fact that most people not caring about the tub or kitchen sink works both ways...they don't really care that much if we loosen or tighten gun laws, after all it does not affect them (or so they think).

That's what I see anyway.

I see a bunch of democrats that kept getting re-elected as career politicians because they have millions of dollars to back their campaigns(due to wasting the state's money so they don't have to spend any of their own. If I could go 4-6 years without having to spend half of my own money that I currently do on just living, I'd be loaded, and those politicians $250k salaries would be nice too).

BUT, prop 8 showed that when liberals get in enough peoples faces with topics they'd likely not care about otherwise, they can be convinced to vote conservatively(yes, I'm saying that the rest of California got sick of Newsom and the rest of the SF politics being thrown in their faces every 2 minutes on TV even if they previously had no opinion one way or the other regarding prop 8). 2010 is going to be interesting...

[Seesm]

you can not buy a bayo or stock for a ar from CTD.. silly sh*t But it is our fault... As one of the posters said. I did not vote for the people IN office.

[motorhead]

I see a bunch of democrats that kept getting re-elected as career politicians because they have millions of dollars to back their campaigns(due to wasting the state's money so they don't have to spend any of their own. If I could go 4-6 years without having to spend half of my own money that I currently do on just living, I'd be loaded, and those politicians $250k salaries would be nice too).

BUT, prop 8 showed that when liberals get in enough peoples faces with topics they'd likely not care about otherwise, they can be convinced to vote conservatively(yes, I'm saying that the rest of California got sick of Newsom and the rest of the SF politics being thrown in their faces every 2 minutes on TV even if they previously had no opinion one way or the other regarding prop 8). 2010 is going to be interesting...

+1K! same thing happened on a nationwide basis with the ill fated bush/kennedy amnesty bill. piss on the peasants one too many times the torches and pitchforks come out. after the last budget fiasco i think we'll see consevative voters at the polls in greater numbers than ever before. 2010 will be the REAL year of change. time to dump ALL the environmentalists, welfare staters and nanny staters. recalls are always nice too.

[B Strong]

[Begin rant]

I finally found a vendor that spells it out in plain English.

And I quote here:

"Ships to USA only. Cannot be sold to CA, CT, HI, MD, MA, NY, Toledo, OH or Aurora, IL - - WHY? Ask your legislators!"

Ask our legislators indeed. We all really need to work harder to become a royal pain in the rump to everyone from the Gov on down when it comes to 'gun control' issues.

Are you one of those folks that can't be bothered to call or write your representative and doesn't vote because "it doesn't matter anyway"? If so, then shut up and bend over as you forfeited your right to complain.

My $.02 worth.

[End rant]

Any seller that won't sell legal items to California residents is doing the antis work for them.

I've attempted to reason with a few individuals that do it, and imo it's more of a case of them acting out their particular hatred of California/Californians and what we represent to them more than anything else.

To many people outside California we're one dimensional sterotypes of what they dislike, and our screwy gun laws gives them an excuse to act out.

A friend of mine once said that some of these sellers probably had a girlfriend move to California and dump them, so they've been trying to get even ever since.