SB2 stay on hold 1/1/24 we will be criminals

[9Cal_OC]

This will backfire on them very shortly when the Supreme Court makes all this illegal. I predict this week.

I wouldn?t hold my breath.

[Lanejsl]

So does this mean our CCW insurance will not cover us, if we are forced to engage a bad guy?

You're CCW insurance card isn't worth the paper it's written on if you carry in violation of SB 2. Hope you all didn't pay for years worth up front.

[XDJYo]

This will backfire on them very shortly when the Supreme Court makes all this illegal. I predict this week.

New here huh? LOL!

[Brother_Hesekiel]

SB2 is so confusing, that I doubt there's more than a few LEOs who grasp its implications, and how should they?

That out of the way, when are you most likely be encountering an interaction with a LEO? That's right, when being pulled over. Luckily, we are still allowed to carry while driving, so that's a non-issue.

In all other cases, concealed is concealed, and if anything, any CCW holder should make sure he doesn't make it known to outsiders that he's carrying.

In the worst case scenario, you are becoming the victim of a armed robbery, whether it's at the ATM, or in the park walking your dog, SB-2 becomes a secondary concern, trumped by your concern not to die or become a bloody clump.

[IVC]

That out of the way, when are you most likely be encountering an interaction with a LEO? That's right, when being pulled over. Luckily, we are still allowed to carry while driving, so that's a non-issue.

Not to mention that we know there are 2A-friendly constitutional sheriffs, such as our Chad Bianco, who during Covid openly defied the little tyrants in the Sacramento political halls.

When 911 won't answer hot burglaries in progress, when LEOs risk all sorts of repercussions for basic policing, when the homeless can do whatever they want, who in their right mind is going to go around and look for CCW violations? Not to mention that the legal aspect of SB 2 is not only unknown, but it's being challenged as we speak and is pretty clearly unconstitutional. It's going to be less enforced than "nuisance laws" against large capacity magazines, which were not enforced at all...

[Supersapper]

I really do hope it gets all made illegal by SCOTUS. I'm not the big expert on law, but I think someone is going to have to fall on a sword for it, since it seems SCOTUS needs to have someone who has actually suffered some sort of loss as a result of the laws enacted.

It's sad really. I always thought that SCOTUS could behind the scenes clean this crap all up, referring to the blatant defiance of SCOTUS rulings by the Circuit Courts, but I guess I am incorrect on it.

I hope LEOs will start seeing that it is NOT the CCW'rs that are the issue and not make a case of it. Remember, when they pull you over, they've already run the plate on your car and know if you're a CCW holder before they ever approach. I hope they don't use that as some sort of probable cause, since at the beginning of the year, they can no longer ask if you know why they pulled you over.

[325inthe510]

The stay on SB2 has been put aside. SB2 will go into effect on 1/1/24 and all those restricted places (the entire state of CA) take place. See the attached link from Reno May, Plaintiff in this case.

https://youtu.be/8XMpG3CpDLs?si=i35TjxYy9sv-808b

Reno May is a plaintiff? How did that parasite get attached to this?

[Supersapper]

Not to mention that we know there are 2A-friendly constitutional sheriffs, such as our Chad Bianco, who during Covid openly defied the little tyrants in the Sacramento political halls.

When 911 won't answer hot burglaries in progress, when LEOs risk all sorts of repercussions for basic policing, when the homeless can do whatever they want, who in their right mind is going to go around and look for CCW violations? Not to mention that the legal aspect of SB 2 is not only unknown, but it's being challenged as we speak and is pretty clearly unconstitutional. It's going to be less enforced than "nuisance laws" against large capacity magazines, which were not enforced at all...

I hope so...I do, but without some sort of assurances from LEOs the state over, there really is no way to know...

[Capybara]

This will backfire on them very shortly when the Supreme Court makes all this illegal. I predict this week.

They already did, it was called NYSRPA v Bruen. California ignores SCOTUS rulings. If you stay in this state, this state will disarm you. And soon.

[XDJYo]

They already did, it was called NYSRPA v Bruen. California ignores SCOTUS rulings. If you stay in this state, this state will disarm you. And soon.

^^^This exactly.

We all let out cheers when Heller and then Brien were decided in favor of the constitution. Same with the rulings by St Benitez. Where are we at now? We?re still back in square one and have actually moved back a few spaces.


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[Noobie678]

I?m not willing to take the risk of carrying even though SB2 is clearly unconstitutional. I will wait for the courts to strike it down which will happen at some point. That said, concealed is concealed and at least the cooler weather allows for deep concealment so printing shouldn?t be a concerns for those of you who do choose to carry. I have complete and total respect for those of you who are willing to take the risk and stand ip to this tyranny. Stay safe out there everyone.

[The Gleam]

I was thinking about an interesting unintended consequence sure to arise out of this, which could be detrimental if it even happened only once.

Say you have a CCW holder, carrying in what was previously an 'OK' space, logical to anyone - at an ATM or in a subway station in LA - and he is facing down someone trying to rob him with a knfe or a gun.

As would be expected, and rightfully so, he brings his own weapon into the unexpected/unprovoked fray and dispatches the threat with 3 clean shots to center mass.

Now in the past, our hero CCW holder would have called 911 to report his defensive shooting, maybe even waited on site for LEO to arrive as long as the threat has ceased. He would have been entirely cooperative, gave complete account of the incident, names taken, possibly even surrendering his weapon as evidence out of protocols of the investigation.

Does anyone really think I'm... errr... umm... he's going to do that now, if caught within a 'gun free zone' which should be anything but?

HELL NO - he's going to ditch and make himself scarce like a common criminal; now the LEO have nothing to go on. It ends up an unsolved crime. Gets chalked up to gang activity.

Clean-up, aisle 5!!

Slunk off, go home, don't even give it a second thought - justice was discreetly served in real-time. Cops bewildered.

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[Packy14]

New here huh? LOL!

Been here longer than you. Brah.

[XDJYo]

This will backfire on them very shortly when the Supreme Court makes all this illegal. I predict this week.

New here huh? LOL!

Been here longer than you. Brah.

We'll see you back here on 1/7.

[Noobie678]

I was thinking about an interesting unintended consequence sure to arise out of this, which could be detrimental if it even happened only once.

Say you have a CCW holder, carrying in what was previously an 'OK' space, logical to anyone - at an ATM or in a subway station in LA - and he is facing down someone trying to rob him with a knfe or a gun.

As would be expected, and rightfully so, he brings his own weapon into the unexpected/unprovoked fray and dispatches the threat with 3 clean shots to center mass.

Now in the past, our hero CCW holder would have called 911 to report his defensive shooting, maybe even waited on site for LEO to arrive as long as the threat has ceased. He would have been entirely cooperative, gave complete account of the incident, names taken, possibly even surrendering his weapon as evidence out of protocols of the investigation.

Does anyone really think I'm... errr... umm... he's going to do that now, if caught within a 'gun free zone' which should be anything but?

HELL NO - he's going to ditch and make himself scarce like a common criminal; now the LEO have nothing to go on. It ends up an unsolved crime. Gets chalked up to gang activity.

Clean-up, aisle 5!!

Slunk off, go home, don't even give it a second thought - justice was discreetly served in real-time. Cops bewildered.

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Since there are probably witnesses and certainly cameras and possibly your prints on your casings yea you probably want to stick around and wait for the police since they?re going to find you anyway. Your right to self defense doesn?t go away because you committed a misdemeanor by violating sb2. Why turn it into a felony by fleeing?