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  • #16
    AlmostHeaven
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2023
    • 3808

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    Last edited by AlmostHeaven; 12-31-2023, 6:00 AM.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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    • #17
      AlmostHeaven
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2023
      • 3808

      Originally posted by ACfixer
      *Boos from the crowd*

      As would I, be safe guys. I'll send a few more bucks to CRPA, hang in there. This is horribly unconstitutional.
      Most of the Second Amendment community prefers the risk of getting judged by twelve to being carried by six.
      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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      • #18
        Vinnie Boombatz
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2020
        • 3036

        Another reason I'm happy I have one more month in this state and then I'm leaving. The state goes to incredibly great lengths to take away rights of a segment of law-abiding citizens (CCW holders) that have no real history of violence, yet the state is going on the premises that if they don't push SB2 by January 1st there will be anarchy, chaos and blood on the streets. Well guess what, that's already the case, but it's not CCW holders causing this. I'm so disgusted and over this state. Just two days ago in Oakland we had an employee get beat up and robbed walking across the street of the hospital to the parking lot, and this isn't the first time it's happened. Drive by shootings right outside the hospital, going lockdown several times this year because of gunfire int he vicinity of the hospital, and the list goes on. Last time I checked it wasn't CCW holders responsible for these crimes and acts of violence.
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        • #19
          DolphinFan
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2012
          • 2569

          I will follow the Supreme Court?s decision.
          ?We too agree and find consistent with Heller and McDonald, that the second and fourteenth amendments protects an individual to carry a handgun for self defense outside the home.?
          And
          ?When confronted with an unconstitutional restriction of an enumerated inalienable right, you may exercise your right WITH IMPUNITY.?
          I will continue to carry everywhere but those places that meet the Text History and Tradition of ?sensitive places?.
          Anywhere public, without controlled entry and proper signage and I?ll be carrying. As states in Bruen I will not carry in government buildings, court houses, post offices, and other places referenced in Bruen on page 21 paragraph 2.
          10/15/2022 - Called to get on the list
          2/18/2023 - Interview set
          4/27/2023 - Class
          4/30/2023 - Live Scan
          5/9/2023 - Interview
          6/26/2023 - Approval Letter
          8/1/2023 - Issued

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          • #20
            VMCJ-3
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 605

            So does this mean our CCW insurance will not cover us, if we are forced to engage a bad guy?
            Then said He unto them...
            "and he that hath no 1911 designed by my servant John Moses Browning,
            let him sell his garment and buy one."
            And they said, "Lord, behold, here are two Glocks."
            And He said unto them, "Meh, it's a good start."

            Luke 22:36-38 (somewhat paraphrased)

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            • #21
              Eat Dirt
              Calguns Addict
              • Nov 2007
              • 9358

              Originally posted by AlmostHeaven
              Most of the Second Amendment community prefers the risk of getting judged by twelve to being carried by six.
              Amen Brother !!!!
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              I miss the Good 'ol days of Cal -Guns

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              • #22
                Preston-CLB
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2018
                • 3520

                Since I am old and have only two brain cells left (and one of those is showing smoke) I am having to resort to printing out the list of prohibited places for reference when I leave my house.

                Seriously, how in the hell are we supposed to remember all the 26 items on the list in order to not be in violation?

                Basically, it comes down to two choices if you have a CCW...

                1. Not carry and takes your chance that evil will not befall you.
                2. Carry anyway and risk getting pinched.

                I heard some guys at the coffee shop saying that every CCW holder in CA stage a mass 'civil disobedience' protest by carrying anyway.

                Such a protest would overload LE and the courts to the point where SB2 would be pointless, and it would be repealed just as was done with Prohibition in the 1920's.
                -P
                ? "If you want nice fresh oats, you have to pay a fair price. If you are satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse, well, that comes a little cheaper."

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                • #23
                  JDoe
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 2413

                  SB2 stay on hold 1/1/24 we will be criminals

                  Originally posted by ARFrog
                  Are any of the CCW insurance companies on record of how they will cover or deny coverage as a result of SB2? Is CCW insurance now mostly meaningless due to broad definitions of sensitive spaces and Anti-signage?

                  I called CCW Safe on Dec 27, 2923, and asked them if they cover incidents where I might have to use my firearm in a sensitive area. They said, "yes, you have coverage if you use you firearm to defend yourself or others in a sensitive space"

                  ETA: The competition for clients is extreme right now. The companies that provide coverage are likely going to be making regular upgrades in their policies to retain and attract clients.
                  Last edited by JDoe; 12-31-2023, 9:40 AM.
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                  • #24
                    PaIadin
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 1456

                    Originally posted by Preston-CLB
                    Since I am old and have only two brain cells left (and one of those is showing smoke) I am having to resort to printing out the list of prohibited places for reference when I leave my house.

                    Seriously, how in the hell are we supposed to remember all the 26 items on the list in order to not be in violation?

                    Basically, it comes down to two choices if you have a CCW...

                    1. Not carry and takes your chance that evil will not befall you.
                    2. Carry anyway and risk getting pinched.

                    I heard some guys at the coffee shop saying that every CCW holder in CA stage a mass 'civil disobedience' protest by carrying anyway.

                    Such a protest would overload LE and the courts to the point where SB2 would be pointless, and it would be repealed just as was done with Prohibition in the 1920's.
                    -P
                    That's still out of sight, out of mind as we are talking about CONCEALED carry.

                    We can do all the silent protest or civil disobedience we but we will be invisible and irrelevant to the discussion with large.
                    My opinion on the CA Government:
                    Originally posted by Grover Norquist
                    I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.

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                    • #25
                      The Gleam
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 11560

                      Originally posted by JDoe
                      I called CCW Safe on Dec 27, 2923, and asked them if they cover incidents where I might have to use my firearm in a sensitive area. They said, "yes, you have coverage if you use you firearm to defend yourself or others in a sensitive space".
                      Called? If you have nothing more than a verbal on that, get it in writing. Email them, see how they reply.

                      That is the absolute must with any insurance company. Because if it ever comes up, they will strictly adhere to the policy, the contract you have with them. Read that first, see what it says, such as negating defense costs for criminal acts, then cite the actual problematic section of their policy in concern.

                      Never, never, never trust what they merely 'tell' you, because half the time the person you're speaking with does not even know what their own policy says, and the other half they will simply be unethical and lie, to tell you want you want to hear, just to get you off the phone to stop from making them work.

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                      Last edited by The Gleam; 12-31-2023, 9:57 AM.
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                      Originally posted by Librarian
                      What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                      If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                      • #26
                        gabe123
                        Member
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 491

                        Insurance agent selling USCCA told me that USCCA is not a ccw insurance. It is a self defense insurance. It doesnt have to involve a firearm. Can be your fists or knife or whatever. The will spend money on your trial but if you are guilty the insurance stop immediately and will not pay for any bills after that, including already incurred expenses. So if you find yourself at trial, make sure your lawyer get paid right before the verdict or plead bargain.

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                        • #27
                          gabe123
                          Member
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 491

                          And of course not sure if USCCA will pay to defend your gun charges that normally come with whatever other charge for shooting the bad guy.

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                          • #28
                            Packy14
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 5312

                            Uscca is not gonna have your back. Look into it. I switched to Ccwsafe once I looked deeper so please do your homework.
                            NRA Lifetime Member

                            1A-2A = -1A

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                            • #29
                              FourPaws
                              Member
                              • Oct 2020
                              • 101

                              Originally posted by Preston-CLB
                              Since I am old and have only two brain cells left (and one of those is showing smoke) I am having to resort to printing out the list of prohibited places for reference when I leave my house.

                              Seriously, how in the hell are we supposed to remember all the 26 items on the list in order to not be in violation?

                              Basically, it comes down to two choices if you have a CCW...

                              1. Not carry and takes your chance that evil will not befall you.
                              2. Carry anyway and risk getting pinched.

                              I heard some guys at the coffee shop saying that every CCW holder in CA stage a mass 'civil disobedience' protest by carrying anyway.

                              Such a protest would overload LE and the courts to the point where SB2 would be pointless, and it would be repealed just as was done with Prohibition in the 1920's.
                              -P
                              Yea, howd that work out for all the J6ers sitting in federal prison or on federal probation? LE will use every resource possible to identify everyone involved in one of those protests and prosecute the heck out of them just to make a point.

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                              • #30
                                Dan_Eastvale
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Apr 2013
                                • 9555

                                Originally posted by fishgoh0nk
                                Wonder how this affects the IA's duty to notify... to notify and fall victim to SB2? or not to notify (NCW - ninja concealed weapon)
                                Damned if you do and damned if you don't


                                Allow a CCW but make it illegal to use

                                Allow guns and ban ammo

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