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  • zukieast
    Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 124

    Seems like they made it pretty clear that USCCA will cover you in a justified self defense incident in a sensitive location. I would of course err on the side of PRE SB2 sensitive location, not not the additional ones.

    Just like the other insurance companies have said.

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    • LateForDinner
      Member
      • Jan 2015
      • 132

      There is a USCCA community thread talking about this same thing. A self-defense shooting and being caught in a sensitive place (carry violation) are two different things. In the thread they are talking about Ohio but it sounds exactly like what could happen in CA. Its a long thread but my take away from it is if there is no self-defense shooting and you are arrested for a carry violation there is no coverage for the carry violation from USCCA. There are posts from the actual attorneys here. See what you think:

      So I got off the phone with a rep from USCCA and got a very unsatisfying answer of “that’s confidential and talking about cases violates attorney client privilege”. Here is the question. If someone accidentally carries into a building with a no firearms allowed sign in a state where the sign holds a criminal charges (like Ohio), will USCCA defend that case? The reason I got thinking about this was the recent Indiana mall shooting. Indiana signage law is non-enforceable. They can ask you to leav...
      NRA Member, CRPA Member, NRA Members' Council, NRA Range Safety Officer

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      • NorCalBusa
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2006
        • 1497

        Originally posted by 21GunSalute
        Yuba County Sheriff is now not Enforcing, as well as Fresno, Tulare, and Sutter County Sheriffs.
        https://www.reddit.com/r/CAguns/s/s6xWVSn8ZC
        San Benito is not enforcing either, I spoke with them yesterday. They did not know what the DA's or PD's positions are.
        If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there

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        • WithinReason
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 746

          Originally posted by LateForDinner
          There is a USCCA community thread talking about this same thing. A self-defense shooting and being caught in a sensitive place (carry violation) are two different things. In the thread they are talking about Ohio but it sounds exactly like what could happen in CA. Its a long thread but my take away from it is if there is no self-defense shooting and you are arrested for a carry violation there is no coverage for the carry violation from USCCA. There are posts from the actual attorneys here. See what you think:

          https://community.usconcealedcarry.c...his-case/83779
          I spoke with an attorney from AOR, and they will represent you on any SB2 charges that arise from a shooting I reasonably believed I did in self-defense.

          I switched to AOR today.
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          • LateForDinner
            Member
            • Jan 2015
            • 132

            Agree:

            Thank you for your interest in our Attorneys on Retainer Program for responsible gun owners! Unlike other options, Attorneys On Retainer is NOT an insurance-backed program.

            Our plan:
            Covers Criminal Acts
            Covers Use of Illegal Weapons
            Covers Gun-Free Zones
            Covers Invalid/Expired CCW Permit
            Covers Prohibited Possessor Status

            And more: https://attorneysonretainer.us/aor-difference
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            • AlmostHeaven
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2023
              • 3808

              Originally posted by LateForDinner
              Agree:

              Thank you for your interest in our Attorneys on Retainer Program for responsible gun owners! Unlike other options, Attorneys On Retainer is NOT an insurance-backed program.

              Our plan:
              Covers Criminal Acts
              Covers Use of Illegal Weapons
              Covers Gun-Free Zones
              Covers Invalid/Expired CCW Permit
              Covers Prohibited Possessor Status

              And more: https://attorneysonretainer.us/aor-difference
              Attorneys on Retainer covers criminal acts and illegal weapons? It almost sounds too good to be true. I do not intend to make any accusations of malfeasance, but I wonder how the plan works.
              A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

              The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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              • Dvrjon
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Nov 2012
                • 11270

                3:54 pm

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                • Packy14
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 5312

                  Originally posted by XDJYo
                  We'll see you back here on 1/7.
                  Day early. It?s 1/6/24. But thanks for playing.
                  NRA Lifetime Member

                  1A-2A = -1A

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                  • AlmostHeaven
                    Veteran Member
                    • Apr 2023
                    • 3808

                    Originally posted by Dvrjon
                    3:54 pm

                    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                    The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                    • Ron Jeremey
                      Member
                      • Jan 2021
                      • 326

                      here's the court order restoring our rights:

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                      • TurboChrisB
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 5116

                        Great news!

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                        • The Gleam
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 11533

                          SB2 injunction administrative stay lifted in last minute appeal to the court by our attorneys!

                          SB2 injunction is now back in place which means the conceal carry in sensitive places portion of SB2 is not enforceable!


                          https://crpa.org/news/blogs/breaking...back-in-place/





                          The administrative stay previously entered (Docket Entry No. 10 in 23-4354; Docket Entry No. 17 in 23-4356) is dissolved.

                          The emergency motion under Circuit Rule 27-3 for a stay pending appeal and for an interim administrative stay (Docket Entry No. 4 in No. 23-4354; Docket Entry No. 4 in No. 23-4356) is denied pending further order of the court.

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                          Last edited by The Gleam; 01-06-2024, 8:54 PM.
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                          Originally posted by Librarian
                          What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                          If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                          • BB1776
                            Member
                            • Aug 2016
                            • 439

                            Hallelujah

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                            • AlmostHeaven
                              Veteran Member
                              • Apr 2023
                              • 3808

                              The right to keep and bear arms has returned to California, albeit still limited by onerous gun control laws such as the assault weapons ban.
                              A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                              The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                              • XDJYo
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 6156

                                Originally posted by Packy14
                                Day early. It?s 1/6/24. But thanks for playing.

                                Was looking for this! lol! You win.


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