HUNT V. CA: Declaration of Ignatius Chinn

[E Pluribus Unum]

We may disagree with Iggy and his coworkers with regards to their stances on firearms but let us not forget the fact that despite what they do to us, the law-abiding citizen, they are out there risking their lives stopping or at least trying to stop real crimes.

Even in a worst case scenario he is doing his job despite what his personal views are. The blame falls strickly upon the shoulders of the legislature and the Governor at the time. Mr. Gay Davis.

[DrjonesUSA]

We may disagree with Iggy and his coworkers with regards to their stances on firearms but let us not forget the fact that despite what they do to us, the law-abiding citizen, they are out there risking their lives stopping or at least trying to stop real crimes.

Even in a worst case scenario he is doing his job despite what his personal views are. The blame falls strickly upon the shoulders of the legislature and the Governor at the time. Mr. Gay Davis.

That's a spectacularly lame "argument".

The truth isn't something you are allowed to have an opinion about. Second Amendment supporters are absolutely right and those who work to destroy the Second Amendment and prevent people from exercising their rights protected by the 2A are dead wrong.

As far as "doing the job despite their personal views", it's pretty clear what the Deputy AGs personal view on guns is: she hates them and hates gun owners.

She should be tried for Treason.

She is so grossly abusing her office in order to force her personal agenda on law-abiding American citizens that it is positively sickening.

"I was only doing my job" has already been proven to be an unacceptable defense in a court of law.

Not only is it not a valid legal excuse, but people should be thrown in jail for having such a gaping lack of morals and backbone that they would "just do their job" despite their personal views on it.

All you people who say, "well, at the end of the day they are people just doing their job" are hurting our cause.

You talk as if its a game or something.

This is a real fight for our rights, freedom and for our very lives.

Those who do not own guns exist solely at the whim of those who DO own guns, whether they are criminals wearing badges or those without them.

[E Pluribus Unum]

That's a spectacularly lame "argument".

The truth isn't something you are allowed to have an opinion about. Second Amendment supporters are absolutely right and those who work to destroy the Second Amendment and prevent people from exercising their rights protected by the 2A are dead wrong.

As far as "doing the job despite their personal views", it's pretty clear what the Deputy AGs personal view on guns is: she hates them and hates gun owners.

She should be tried for Treason.

She is so grossly abusing her office in order to force her personal agenda on law-abiding American citizens that it is positively sickening.

"I was only doing my job" has already been proven to be an unacceptable defense in a court of law.

Not only is it not a valid legal excuse, but people should be thrown in jail for having such a gaping lack of morals and backbone that they would "just do their job" despite their personal views on it.

All you people who say, "well, at the end of the day they are people just doing their job" are hurting our cause.

You talk as if its a game or something.

This is a real fight for our rights, freedom and for our very lives.

Those who do not own guns exist solely at the whim of those who DO own guns, whether they are criminals wearing badges or those without them.

You are preaching to the choir and I am in no way arguing FOR him. All I am saying is despite what he does to us (the evil) he is not all bad.

[DrjonesUSA]

You are preaching to the choir and I am in no way arguing FOR him. All I am saying is despite what he does to us (the evil) he is not all bad.

And I'm saying that you could not possibly be more wrong.

The Second Amendment is the most important of all the amendments because without it, we have NO rights.

You have no right to life without guns, you have no freedom of speech without guns, you have NOTHING if you do not have guns because you can only actually exercise rights that you can defend, and you cannot defend anything without weapons.

Anyone actively working to persecute people for exercising their rights protected by the Second Amendment are as evil as it gets, period.

You're probably thinking that Iggy could be a nice guy to hit the gym with, or to sit down and have a beer with, and you know what? You could well be right.

I'm sure he's probably a likeable human being, but that certainly does not change the fact that he and others in his office are actively working to undermine the Constitution and persecute innocent American citizens simply for exercising their rights, and that is positively unforgivable.

Saddam looks like he could be related to me, and I'm sure he could be pretty nice to sit and have a cup of coffee with, but that doesn't change the fact that he did evil things, nor does it excuse him from his evildoings.

[Kestryll]

And I'm saying that you could not possibly be more wrong.

The Second Amendment is the most important of all the amendments because without it, we have NO rights.

You have no right to life without guns, you have no freedom of speech without guns, you have NOTHING if you do not have guns because you can only actually exercise rights that you can defend, and you cannot defend anything without weapons.

Anyone actively working to persecute people for exercising their rights protected by the Second Amendment are as evil as it gets, period.

You're probably thinking that Iggy could be a nice guy to hit the gym with, or to sit down and have a beer with, and you know what? You could well be right.

I'm sure he's probably a likeable human being, but that certainly does not change the fact that he and others in his office are actively working to undermine the Constitution and persecute innocent American citizens simply for exercising their rights, and that is positively unforgivable.

Saddam looks like he could be related to me, and I'm sure he could be pretty nice to sit and have a cup of coffee with, but that doesn't change the fact that he did evil things, nor does it excuse him from his evildoings.

Are you comparing the DOJ personnel to Saddam Hussein?
That has to be the dumbest thing I've seen in a while if you are.
If not then a little clarification might be in order to avoid confusion.

[Joe]

Especially with those two pistol grips right next to the grenade. Just think of how much more dangerous that grenade would be it it had a pistol grip attached to it.

Pistol grips on the grenade Now the grenades can be sprayed randomly without having to reload.

[E Pluribus Unum]

And I'm saying that you could not possibly be more wrong.

The Second Amendment is the most important of all the amendments because without it, we have NO rights.

You have no right to life without guns, you have no freedom of speech without guns, you have NOTHING if you do not have guns because you can only actually exercise rights that you can defend, and you cannot defend anything without weapons.

Anyone actively working to persecute people for exercising their rights protected by the Second Amendment are as evil as it gets, period.

You're probably thinking that Iggy could be a nice guy to hit the gym with, or to sit down and have a beer with, and you know what? You could well be right.

I'm sure he's probably a likeable human being, but that certainly does not change the fact that he and others in his office are actively working to undermine the Constitution and persecute innocent American citizens simply for exercising their rights, and that is positively unforgivable.

Saddam looks like he could be related to me, and I'm sure he could be pretty nice to sit and have a cup of coffee with, but that doesn't change the fact that he did evil things, nor does it excuse him from his evildoings.

You have once again misunderstood what I am saying. Please do not spout off to me anymore about "gun control is evil and why" because we are in 100% agreement.

I understand the evils that he has done in his office. I am in no way condoning what he did. My point is this: He is simply one man, doing what he perceives to be his job as he is sworn to do. He is misguided, I agree but I highly doubt his intent is malicious.

My point is this: Chinn is just a soldier; if you want to get mad at someone and alter what’s going on focusing on Chinn is a mistake as he is a nobody. Focus on people like Don Perata, Paul Koretz, Diane Fienstine, Barbara Boxer, Gray Davis, Mike Roos, David Roberti, Andres Soto, Jack Rackove and the many other influential people who instigate and proliferate this tendency. Without those people Chinn would be powerless to do anything despite what he thinks personally.

Furthermore, the video that was presented was not about taking our guns. The video that was presented was about keeping Chinese mobsters in jail rather than brokering deals to let them out. I agree with that so it only proves that it is not all bad; I happen to agree with the statement he made.

[Joe]

^^ I think a lot of people shared that view about them "just doing their job" but that whole idea was pretty much destroyed by AM when we read her emails exposing her agenda. It was 100% clear she was not "just doing her job", she was pushing her agenda.

To my knowledge, Iggy has not been exposed like AM has. But that does not mean he isn't also pushing a personal agenda.

[E Pluribus Unum]

^^ I think a lot of people shared that view about them "just doing their job" but that whole idea was pretty much destroyed by AM when we read her emails exposing her agenda. It was 100% clear she was not "just doing her job", she was pushing her agenda.

To my knowledge, Iggy has not been exposed like AM has. But that does not mean he isn't also pushing a personal agenda.

Again irrelevant. You are focusing on the wrong area. They are soldiers; we need to target the Generals.

I'm done arguing. I have stated my opinion; you are free to disagree if you choose.

[Draven]

Chinn is not a Soldier, the thugs under him are soldiers. He is an Officer at the very least, and should act like one.

[Can'thavenuthingood]

Chinn is enforcing the law through his own interpretation.
He is a symptom of bad law and hiring practices by those with an agenda.

The target is the legislature and reform or repeal of those laws.
That is done through the legislature which is full of leftist Democrats appointing and hiring Chinn types throughout the government.

Vick

[luvtolean]

Thugs?

Come on. I still believe the people there want to do what they believe is best for people.

I believe in AM is doing what SHE believes is for people's ultimate benefit. Though I STRONGLY disagree with her.

There are problems at the DOJ, but from what I've seen it comes from management allowing people to push their own agendas, which has led to a total lack of cohesion in message.

[Mute]

Thugs?

Come on. I still believe the people there want to do what they believe is best for people.

I believe in AM is doing what SHE believes is for people's ultimate benefit. Though I STRONGLY disagree with her.

There are problems at the DOJ, but from what I've seen it comes from management allowing people to push their own agendas, which has led to a total lack of cohesion in message.

After reading the Cal NRA alert pdf, I don't believe that anymore. AM clearly has no interest in what is best for the people but just wishes to carry out a personal vendetta against California gunowners and more specifically those who own OLLs.

[luvtolean]

You very well may be right. I tend to be an optimist.

I think most antis really do have misguided notions about what causes crime, and how to stop it...but hell, maybe we've caused her enough grief that she's downright just pissed at us.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. She wants to take our guns away, that much is clear...

[DrjonesUSA]

Ok. I agree that his intent is probably (likely) not malicious and I completely agree that we should focus attention/efforts on the higher-ups.