Reloading w/ condor safe bullets: verboten?

[Sunwolf]

Uh-huh.

[Sunwolf]

Reminds me of the high level of DDT residues found in mountain streams.Answer?Some farmers cached DDT. long ago and and are using it now up in the mountains even though it is illegal.Right.

[Sunwolf]

Condors?When they were all captured and bred in captivity to increase their numbers,the Indians were still seeing them up in the mountains.Who do I believe?Indians or DFG biologists?

[Tanner68]

The condor has been inexorably moving toward extinction since the last of the giant land animals were hunted off the continent. First we sped the process along, now we are dragging it out, but the end result will be the same given the lack of genetic variability left in the surviving population.

I would love to see a paper showing a clear, unambiguous link between environmental lead exposure, lead ammunition and animal mortality.


Ryan

Here is one paper. And there is a bibliography at the end with many more papers to read.

http://www.peregrinefund.org/Lead_conference/PDF/0217%20Parish.pdf

I don't see the CA condors ever being wild. They will be livestock always. Their food sources are gone, such as marine mammal carrion and big game from the San Joaquin valley. Ranching provided them with lots of carcasses in modern times, but that period is over too. There are too many environmental hazards in addition to lead ammo, and their habitat is gone forever. They can't make it in their little mountain redoubt without perpetual intervention.

[Sunwolf]

Untold numbers of species have become extinct,let the Condors go.

[Californio]

It's being worked on. We also see turkey vultures with high tissue lead levels. As to coyotes, I dunno...perhaps birds are more sensitive to lead; I know for a fact that they are to zinc. The latter leads to "new cage syndrome" in pet birds, when they nip off the stray bits of galvanizing.

Ever since the 1930's water projects were built and the natural water flows stopped, the prey and predator animals diminished in the natural habitat of the Condor. Want to save the Condor, tear all the dams down including the Hoover, let the water flow, move about 30 million people out of California and the same out of the Southwest, tear down the power lines across the back country and the prey and predator animals will come back and leave food for the idiot Condor to eat. This lead BS is just that BS the animal cannot survive in the Urban West except by artificial means, which is what is being done today.

The only way to save the Condor is to displace Man. So since that is not going to happen, the Condor is doomed to extinction plain and simple. Lead is just another ban firearms game masquerading as science. Man has destroyed the Condors habitat may it RIP, the rest is political BS.

[dreyna14]

Untold numbers of species have become extinct,let the Condors go.

Exactly. What reprecussions will there be if they go extinct? Not a single one. Let them go. It's survival of the fittest and condors are far from fit to survive. If somebody wants to save the condors, then they can pay for it.