DOJ proposed regulation shot down less than 12 hours after being posted...

[xenophobe]

Yes, that's right. New DOJ proposed regulatory definition means little to anything. Just the method of pinning the magazine needs to be changed. So all their time and effort the DOJ has spent considering this issue has been thwarted by a few clever people in less than 24 hours.

New compliance modifications are simple, but require a little more effort and require drilling and tapping the receiver. And, with their proposed changes will also face judicial review. Heh. I bet someone in Sacto is frustrated!

EDIT:

The DOJ has given legally binding opinion on how you must fix the magazine to comply with California state law. This is good news.

[insin]

Its also interesting that the Maglock that was thought of previously for the PTR/HK series rifles which is purely a piece of scrap metal inserted between the mag release button and the frame of the rifle when the action in disassembled is also acceptable by the DOJ. There is no way to remove that type of maglock without taking the rifle apart. GOOD GOING!

[thmpr]

Hey Mike,
What do you mean by shot down?

[bwiese]

Its also interesting that the Maglock that was thought of previously for the PTR/HK series rifles which is purely a piece of scrap metal inserted between the mag release button and the frame of the rifle when the action in disassembled is also acceptable by the DOJ. There is no way to remove that type of maglock without taking the rifle apart. GOOD GOING!

I know, this is superb!

These folks don't have a friggin' clue.

[DrjonesUSA]

Glad to read this.

My initial reaction when I read the new memo was:

a) This was written by a true retard; someone with a brain that is not fully functioning, as the contradictions are so glaring that they may as well be written in flashing neon. A third grader should be able to pick up on the contradictions.

b) This was written by a retard with absolutely 100% ZERO knowledge of firearms.

[Tweak338]

great job

[Richie Rich]

Great job everyone. Lets keep it up, perhaps we can wind up getting SB23 overturned and not have to worry about all of this crap any more.

[grammaton76]

Just a warning, folks... you know DOJ's reading this, and there's not much reason to provoke them into anger with statements about them being at a third grade level, etc. An angry DOJ is less likely to consider things rationally and realize that these regs aren't in anyone's best interests.

No one's crossing the line of specific DOJ personnel here, but I'd just like to remind you that it doesn't help our cause any if all we do is anger them.

We're absolutely in an adversarial position, but there's no reason not to be cordial.

[Richie Rich]

I hope they are reading these posts.

Normally I would never repost something I wrote but I would really like the DOJ to see this..

Message to the Cal DOJ (since I know you guys stop by here).... Why do you guys have such an urge to keep tinkering with these regulations?? I am sure you have much more important things to do then tinker around with things like this. We are not a threat, as law abiding citizens we are all trying as hard as we can to follow the letter of the law that you put forth...

If the time that this department spent tweaking the AW regulations was focused on figuring out ways to reduce actual gun crime perpitrated by real criminals we would all be much better off... Think about it, you could be saving lives and preventing crime rather then trying to figure out ways to turn law abiding people into criminals over a $.99 plastic handle or a $.75 screw.

[donger]

Glad to read this.

My initial reaction when I read the new memo was:

a) This was written by a true retard; someone with a brain that is not fully functioning, as the contradictions are so glaring that they may as well be written in flashing neon. A third grader should be able to pick up on the contradictions.

b) This was written by a retard with absolutely 100% ZERO knowledge of firearms.

edited to pacify those easily offended.

[xenophobe]

Hey Mike,
What do you mean by shot down?

Well, that the DOJ desire to rid the California population of these mag-locked 10 round fixed California-compliant semi-automatic rifles by using regulatory definition changes only affects how these magazines are affixed, and does nothing to slow down or stop receiver sales, or people wishing to build these into California-compliant rifles.

The manner in which the magazines will be affixed has changed, but is simple enough that many people will be able to make modifications in less than 10 minutes that will comply with new regulation.

After proposed regulation has been adopted, there will no longer be any question as to what is necessary to affix a magazine, and therefore more people can be confident that a fixed magazine rifle build WILL be California compliant, and not just dependent on indeterminate "58 DA" decisiveness.

Also, that judicial review may force DOJ to open registration for currently legal fixed magazine rifles (but not for gripless detachable magazine builds.)

And, the Attorney General's power to list AR/AK series firearms or use a court add-on to list new assault weapons has been removed.

I see all of this as good news for California gun owners.

[grammaton76]

Also, that judicial review may force DOJ to open registration for currently legal fixed magazine rifles (but not for gripless detachable magazine builds.)

I asked a while back, but never got an answer - does anyone have the specs from back in the early days, for the Home Depot mag-locks?

Because if they do that, it may be useful for everyone to make a Home Depot run now, for any lowers they have sitting in storage unbuilt.

Doesn't matter if it has an FCG in it - if it has a magazine fixed in place by a mag lock that's (no longer) legal AND a pistol grip, then you'll have standing for that receiver when it comes to judicial review.

Of course, I do have a bunch of spare mag lock kits around, but it would be convenient to Home Depot the ones I don't feel like building just yet...

[Tweak338]

instead of a mag lock you can just place a nut on the threads and go all the way down it.. then put your mag catch button on..

[xenophobe]

Yes, it may prove worthwhile to have your stripped recievers mag locked with a 10 rounder.

Sorry, I have no idea of the "home depot" compliance parts. I'm sure someone else can chime in at this point.

[AJD]

I'm not sure how this is "good news". If you own an SKS rifle it would be an AW under these new regulations. Some of you OLL guys might be happy, but some guns, that were never the target of these regs to begin with, may be affected.