DOJ proposed regulation shot down less than 12 hours after being posted...

[xenophobe]

If you own an SKS rifle it would be an AW under these new regulations.

No it will not. SKS magazines requre removal/dissassembly of the action.

Please explain how you believe this affects the SKS, the M1A, SU-16 or other rifle.

[grammaton76]

I've been saying that for about 4 months now. I have enough pistol grips, magazines and set screws at home to turn each of my lowers into a "standing to sue for registration" machine, should the need arise.

I think the spec is quite trivial: Take the mag lock button, and drill and tap one or two #2-56 or #4-40 holes through it. (...)

That's how you'd replicate a Prince50 style kit, but what I was talking about was the Home Depot version of the Sporting Converisons kit. I seem to recall it was just a simple matter of cutting down a length of tube (steel or polymer) and tightening down a screw... I'm looking for the minimum-labor, minimum-cost solution for guys that have spare lowers.

[AJD]

No it will not. SKS magazines requre removal/dissassembly of the action.

Please explain how you believe this affects the SKS, the M1A, SU-16 or other rifle.

As I posted in the other thread you do not need to remove the action on an SKS to remove the mag. Unless of course the trigger assembly is classified by the DOJ as the action. I just took the mag out of my Yugo SKS by simply removing the trigger assembly by pushing the tab in, and then pulling the bolt back. The mag slid right out.

[DrjonesUSA]

You know it's not nice to call a retarded person a "retard."

I've got much more select words for people who are actively trying to strip me of my rights.

As said above, you'd think the government would have better things to do than devote countless manhours and tax dollars towards trying to turn completely law-abiding, tax-paying citizens into criminals over a $.99 chunk of metal or plastic, but nooooooo.

[leelaw]

As I posted in the other thread you do not need to remove the action on an SKS to remove the mag. Unless of course the trigger assembly is classified by the DOJ as the action. I just took the mag out of my Yugo SKS by simply removing the trigger assembly by pushing the tab in, and then pulling the bolt back. The mag slid right out.

Um.. That IS the action...

[xenophobe]

As I posted in the other thread you do not need to remove the action on an SKS to remove the mag. Unless of course the trigger assembly is classified by the DOJ as the action. I just took the mag out of my Yugo SKS by simply removing the trigger assembly by pushing the tab in, and then pulling the bolt back. The mag slid right out.

The fire control components are considered "part of the action". If you ever recall seeing the DOJ definition of a pistol grip and that if it "protrudes conspicuously below the action of the rifle" you would indeed see that the fire control components above the exposed portion of the trigger is considered the action of the firearm.

[arguy15]

Just a warning, folks... you know DOJ's reading this, and there's not much reason to provoke them into anger with statements about them being at a third grade level, etc. An angry DOJ is less likely to consider things rationally and realize that these regs aren't in anyone's best interests.

No one's crossing the line of specific DOJ personnel here, but I'd just like to remind you that it doesn't help our cause any if all we do is anger them.

We're absolutely in an adversarial position, but there's no reason not to be cordial.

They hate us no matter what.
To DOJ: You are a bunch of incompetent bureaucrats.

[bwiese]

The fire control components are considered "part of the action". If you ever recall seeing the DOJ definition of a pistol grip and that if it "protrudes conspicuously below the action of the rifle" you would indeed see that the fire control components above the exposed portion of the trigger is considered the action of the firearm.

There appears to be other paperwork saying the action involves the barreling/feed/bolt traversal area. That is, the trigger group is "just parts" and ain't "the action".

[blacklisted]

There appears to be other paperwork saying the action involves the barreling/feed/bolt traversal area. That is, the trigger group is "just parts" and ain't "the action".

We obviously can't rely 100% on the DoJ's "paperwork", because of the many conflicts.

At least for the AR-15 and similar: would you say that there is no doubt that pulling the rear takedown pin and pivoting the upper and lower apart is disassembling the action?

[thmpr]

Blacklisted,
I was thinking on the same line since the lower is considered as the firearm and the trigger group is part of the lower(action of the firearm). Doesnt make sense since this is what we currently have (AR 15: Upper and lower receiver detached by removing the detent pins).

[Richie Rich]

Someone with a fixed mag rifle should fill out and send in the AW registration paperwork along with copies of the changes in the law...

See what they do. Hopefully it would not involve an in home visit by the tactical asian....

[jemaddux]

As I posted in the other thread you do not need to remove the action on an SKS to remove the mag. Unless of course the trigger assembly is classified by the DOJ as the action. I just took the mag out of my Yugo SKS by simply removing the trigger assembly by pushing the tab in, and then pulling the bolt back. The mag slid right out.

And as already been stated and shown the trigger is really not considered the action. The action of the firearm is the bolt, firing pin and so on. So YES this would and will cause trouble for some other rifles.

[rorschach]

Its also interesting that the Maglock that was thought of previously for the PTR/HK series rifles which is purely a piece of scrap metal inserted between the mag release button and the frame of the rifle when the action in disassembled is also acceptable by the DOJ. There is no way to remove that type of maglock without taking the rifle apart. GOOD GOING!

I'm good to go. I'm still churning out Rorschach HK magazine locks every few free hours I have. To celebrate, I'm going to sturmgewehr.com to find myself a Vector, or maybe another unlisted HK rifle.

Not to toot my own horn, but beep beep!http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=37200

[jemaddux]

This is from DOJ site.

"Two of the most common locking mechanisms are trigger locks and cable locks. Trigger locks are typically two-piece devices that fit around the trigger and trigger guard to prevent access to the trigger. One side has a post that fits into a hole in the other side. They are locked by a key or combination locking mechanism. Cable locks typically work by looping a strong steel cable through the action of the firearm to block the firearm's operation and prevent accidental firing. However, neither trigger locks nor cable locks are designed to prevent access to the firearm."

As you can see, they are showing as the trigger being called one thing and the action is another. This is why letters pointing things out are going to be very important. Nothing DOJ does is clear.

[mblat]

Also, that judicial review may force DOJ to open registration for currently legal fixed magazine rifles (but not for gripless detachable magazine builds.)

And that would be enforsable how? Bring you rifle to court to prove that you had fixed mag and then we will let you register it?