Self assigned serial numbers + Volreg of NON-AW homebuils, are we hosed?

[SkyHawk]

On the Webinar today with the NRA lawyers, we heard that volreg is a waste of effort now. Unless your submission has already been approved/accepted into the system - whatever that means - there is no point trying Volreg for NON AW Ghost guns right now.

That means your current engraved serial is useless. You will have to submit to the new process of requesting a DOJ assigned serial, submitting a paper form with your thumbprint, submitting photos, etc - and paying MORE $$$$ to register your NON-AW home builds + another trip to the engraver.

So what does everyone think of this? Are you still going to try and do the Volreg of your home built with self assigned serial before July 1 ??

Has anyone gotten Volreg acceptance confirmation back from DOJ for home built submissions in the past 4 - 6 months?

[aermotor]

Tons of people have gotten confirmation back with success. Waiting and praying on mine. There will be noncompliance if I'm denied. Or I'll just keep submitting them, over and over.

Try anyway? Send a snail mail version?

[Discogodfather]

I wasn't able to make the webinar due to work issues, but this is some bad news. Did they specify at all when this policy started? Is it based on the date you built the weapon at all?

I think more than a few people have registered using volreg in the past few months and gotten confirmation of acceptance but personally I have 8 sitting- 6 of them since mid March, 2 I submitted in the last few days. All were built pre 2016.

I have asked several times using the "report an issue" for status and they responded only once saying they would not comment until 90 days after submission. Then after 90 days, they simply did not answer anything.

They are in for a huge lawsuit on this one hopefully. People complied with the law and to the letter of it, and denied us what many many people did in the past?

Hopefully if there is a policy it only applies to firearms built in 2018?

[SkyHawk]

I don't know any more. The Webinar was sort of a let down for me. It focused too much on July - December 2018 issues, and then after Jan 1 2019. I was hoping for some laser focus on what to do in the next 72 hours. I have a lot of questions, and no answers.

Tons of people have gotten confirmation back with success.
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Try anyway? Send a snail mail version?

But when did they submit them exactly? That is what I would like to know. If DOJ takes more than 90+ days to answer, then we don't really know what has happened to people who submitted in the past 3+ months?

And a snail mail version is a non starter at this late stage - you would have no way to prove you submitted a volreg by this weekend if you snail-mailed forms today.

[Discogodfather]

I don't know any more. The Webinar was sort of a let down for me. It focused too much on July - December 2018 issues, and then after Jan 1 2019. I was hoping for some laser focus on what to do in the next 72 hours. I have a lot of questions, and no answers.



But when did they submit them exactly? That is what I would like to know. If DOJ takes more than 90+ days to answer, then we don't really know what has happened to people who submitted in the past 3+ months?

Well, people have reported they got a confirmation letter. I have got nothing.

Did the webinar answer the question: is anything grandfathered in? What did they tell people to do for pre July 1st 2018 home builds? Does everything need to be registered?

[edgerly779]

does the emaiil from doj i got mean that it was accepted and i am good to go. they got my 19 bucks

[Discogodfather]

does the emaiil from doj i got mean that it was accepted and i am good to go. they got my 19 bucks

All I got was transactions receipts that said "This order is now complete. Transaction approved!". Nothing else. The email address is: DEPT OF JUSTICE/CFARS noreply@gge4mailer.com.

A really important question: when was the last time someone was approved for an 80% receiver and got a confirmation letter? Maybe we can figure out how and when this policy was put in place.

Hopefully they will post the webinar soon so we can analyze exactly what Michel & Associates said.

[AlHO1966]

Can someone help me out with the volreg thing. Is this in regards to say something like a pf940C? I just got my rifles registered after about 12 hours of fighting the web page just wondering if I missed something.

[SkyHawk]

Well, people have reported they got a confirmation letter. I have got nothing.

Did the webinar answer the question: is anything grandfathered in? What did they tell people to do for pre July 1st 2018 home builds? Does everything need to be registered?

The only unserialized firearms that are grandfathered are essentially C&R, and I am not even sure self built more than 50yrs ago would qualify. Practically speaking, if you self built it, it must be registered.

Can someone help me out with the volreg thing. Is this in regards to say something like a pf940C? I just got my rifles registered after about 12 hours of fighting the web page just wondering if I missed something.

This is about any self built firearm made before 7/1/2018 that is not AW. I have no idea what a pf940C is. If it is an 80% poly frame Glock, then yes that is one example of many we are talking about. Also talking fixed mag AR pistols, fixed mag or featureless AR and AK rifles, 1911s, ANYTHING self built that is not in AW configuration.

[Discogodfather]

The only unserialized firearms that are grandfathered are essentially C&R, and I am not even sure self built more than 50yrs ago would qualify. Practically speaking, if you self built it, it must be registered.



This is about any self built firearm made before 7/1/2018 that is not AW. I have no idea what a pf940C is. If it is an 80% poly frame Glock, then yes that is one example of many we are talking about. Also talking fixed mag AR pistols, fixed mag or featureless AR and AK rifles, 1911s, ANYTHING self built that is not in AW configuration.

Yeah, this was almost a given for me, just wanted to hear it from Michel. I could not read the law any other way, and the regs spelled it out even clearer. I can't see how anyone can claim anything is exempt.

[SkyHawk]

I believe the archive is here now. https://cc.readytalk.com/cc/playback...k.do?id=4uzznr

Unfortunately they stopped the recording before the Q&A session, so I am not sure how much info you will get on this topic.

Basically their opinion was, you are SOL at this point.

I am inclined to try it anyhow, before 7/1/2018. It seems the law allows for it, and it would be mitigating if I was ever accused of malfeasance later for not having a DOJ issued serial or they claim I never registered.

[M1NM]

I mailed mine in 3 weeks ago. If the state hasn't entered it in their system it's not my problem - I complied with the "rule".

[MajorCaliber]

On the Webinar today with the NRA lawyers, we heard that volreg is a waste of effort now. Unless your submission has already been approved/accepted into the system - whatever that means - there is no point trying Volreg for NON AW Ghost guns right now.

I found the seminar rather confusing with way too much focus on curios and relics and not enough on things that affect more of us. Can you explain why it is useless now. Other than possible website issues, why can't I submit my registration of my featureless self serialized featureless build tomorrow 6/29? If I did so, when would I have to submit my pics? at registration time or in 10 days?

[Greg B]

Mine still says "in process". Fingers crossed.
Another thing I noticed, website says CFARS will be shut down from 12AM-7AM on the 1st.

[BagelBites]

This what I was saying from the get-go. The language of the CCR leads me to believe that the entire Volreg process needs to have been completed before 7/1, not just DOJ having received the volreg submission.

CCR 5508
(c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1, 2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file with the Department. This serial number or mark of identification is typically one that was created by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm; therefore, it is not a serial number or mark of identification that was issued by the Department.

"Entered into the centralized registry" means entered into AFS. The firearm is not entered into AFS when DOJ receives a volreg submission. It's entered into AFS after the background check and completion of the process, 90+ days later. Maybe I'm just interpreting it wrong, but I doubt DOJ will give any leeway to anyone who is manufacturing their own firearms. Who knows?