Open Carry - Hold Your Horses

[Liberty1]

If you've done any reading here you'll know that I'm not one to discourage UOC.

But those whom I do wish to give pause to are any noobs just considering this self defense and activist option.

Be sure to read up at californiaopencarry.org and I mean everything. Study and know the actual penal code sections and discuss your OC aspirations and questions here and at OCDO.

The law and case laws are vast and there are still many LEOs who are not fully trained or aware of the memos. What I wish to avoid, is what I call "Darwin Arrests" of individuals who have not done all that they could in preparation for a UOC event/outing to help make it successful and uneventfully.

Ask yourself can you post at least $5000 for bail (that would be the 10% for the bail bondsman) and another $5000 for an attorney's retainer (even for a false arrest)?

CA is not yet in the position legally where you can just strap on and walk the dog without risk. Evaluate your risk and take steps to minimize it. Copy other successful UOC events.

And at a minimum:

*have a recording device and USE IT! (batteries must be NEW!)
*know the laws and carry the brochures
*use the buddy system and have friendly witnesses
*and always be polite but firm in your understanding that you are engaged in NO CRIME and know your rights and how to articulate them intelligently

What is going to happen in the courts regarding the 2nd A. may already be ordained and may not positively be effected by what we do here before incorporation. But what we here are most certainly engaged in is a battle for the hearts and minds of the public on this a very devisive issue for CA. Always keep that in mind with any OC events.

Our CA Open Carry pioneers are making me and our Calguns brothers and sisters very proud! Be Smart, be Safe and Carry On!




And if you haven't seen the thread or haven't donated yet, please help Theseus' false school zone charge - Open Carry Legal Defense Fund by making a donation today!




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[eflatminor]

Good advice, which I am currently following.

One other point to consider. Have the bail money ready IN CASH, if you can. Also, have a lawyer ready-to-go BEFORE you UOC and make sure you've either memorized that attorney's phone number or someone you trust has it and will make the call if you're arrested. Lastly, you might consider "arming" your non-UOC buddy with a video camera. Nothing like a friend filming the shake down, should it occur.

That's how I walk my dog!

[Liberty1]

Good advice, which I am currently following.

One other point to consider. Have the bail money ready IN CASH, if you can. Also, have a lawyer ready-to-go BEFORE you UOC and make sure you've either memorized that attorney's phone number or someone you trust has it and will make the call if you're arrested. Lastly, you might consider "arming" your non-UOC buddy with a video camera. Nothing like a friend filming the shake down, should it occur.

That's how I walk my dog!

You strap a video camera on your dog?

[fairfaxjim]

Good advice, which I am currently following.

One other point to consider. Have the bail money ready IN CASH, if you can. Also, have a lawyer ready-to-go BEFORE you UOC and make sure you've either memorized that attorney's phone number or someone you trust has it and will make the call if you're arrested. Lastly, you might consider "arming" your non-UOC buddy with a video camera. Nothing like a friend filming the shake down, should it occur.

That's how I walk my dog!

"May it please the court, we would like to submit and mark as defense exhibit #1, Mr. Eflatminor's DOGCAM video tape of the incident in question."

[pullnshoot25]

"May it please the court, we would like to submit and mark as defense exhibit #1, Mr. Eflatminor's DOGCAM video tape of the incident in question."

That isn't a bad idea, actually. I can train a dog to heel perfectly with anyone and carry the camera on its back.

[jlh95811]

"May it please the court, we would like to submit and mark as defense exhibit #1, Mr. Eflatminor's DOGCAM video tape of the incident in question."

All we see is butt and feet sir. This in no way helps your case.

Thanks OP. We really do need to be on our P's and Q's.

But: I'm a little weary of having a guy with a video camera walking around filming a guy with a gun. They may think you are about to document your "vengence upon mankinds' wrongdoing" or something to that affect.

[big jon]

sorry I had to do it.















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[tyrist]

Just remember no metropolitian areas because you will be too close to a school

[eflatminor]

jlh, you raise and interesting point. For the record, it's my lady friend with the video camera...though Lucy the dog might actually like a dogcam. At any rate, the video is just a back up she would pull out if necessary.

Regarding urban areas, I'm lucky in that regard. There are no schools in the section of downtown LA where I live; it's all industrial, where many films and commercials are shot.

[Liberty1]

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but where is the open carry?

[jlh95811]

jlh, you raise and interesting point. For the record, it's my lady friend with the video camera...though Lucy the dog might actually like a dogcam. At any rate, the video is just a back up she would pull out if necessary.

Regarding urban areas, I'm lucky in that regard. There are no schools in the section of downtown LA where I live; it's all industrial, where many films and commercials are shot.

I can see it now. "Sir, put your hands where we can see them!"
She whips out a video camera; "GUN!" pop pop pop pop.

I hope you don't believe in Jynx's cause I mean no ill intent. Just kidding around. But seriously. Some police are very jumpy and folks have been shot for wielding cellphones.

[jlh95811]

but where is the open carry?

He's holding his horse.

[tyrist]

jlh, you raise and interesting point. For the record, it's my lady friend with the video camera...though Lucy the dog might actually like a dogcam. At any rate, the video is just a back up she would pull out if necessary.

Regarding urban areas, I'm lucky in that regard. There are no schools in the section of downtown LA where I live; it's all industrial, where many films and commercials are shot.

I can tell you that you are very wrong. Schools are everywhere.

[AndrewMendez]

A bunch of SoCal Departments have been issuing letters, since the OPEN CARRY SAN DIEGO, a couple weeks back! They are becoming well aware that it is, Indeed legal, and are aware that we are ready to sue!!!

[Liberty1]

A bunch of SoCal Departments have been issuing letters, since the OPEN CARRY SAN DIEGO, a couple weeks back! They are becoming well aware that it is, Indeed legal, and are aware that we are ready to sue!!!

Can you get some of those letters pretty please with sugar on top and send them to Bweise?

I don't know how ready to sue anyone is. Rights have been violated all over the state in just about every encounter (some worse then others) and I only know of one suit in the early planning stages.

But if a threat of a suit and knowledge that we record the detentions keeps everyone legal it then protects their liability as well as us constitutionally and that is all any OCers wants. No Larry H. Parkers here...