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  • #16
    Paladin
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2005
    • 12392

    Originally posted by radioman
    It is time for us to take back our government , and I have a plan to do this a grassroots plan what I propose Is to put on the ballot a proposition . . . .
    Has it been 3 months already?

    240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

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    • #17
      Bob Ragen
      Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 171

      We have a system in place to make changes, it's called voting. If the majority of Californians would stop being so self centered and vote out the far left wing and right wing politicians things would change. Until then Boxer, Pelosi and all the others, Dems & Reps, will remain where they are and this state will continue to be regulated into the ground. The systems is not broken, the people are.
      It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for!

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      • #18
        Bob Ragen
        Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 171

        Let me add that not only our state regulators but our federal regulators must also be removed from office, hence Pelosis name. We need a clean sweep of all the government officials who say they represent this state and the will of its people but have continuosly shown otherwise.

        Rant over!
        It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for!

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        • #19
          theshoer
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 645

          Like our Votes count.

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          • #20
            Tier One Arms
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2007
            • 2598

            Sounds like a good idea to me.

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            • #21
              Swiss
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 830

              Gun control aside, I'm pretty damn proud of the strides the Golden State makes in relation to the rest of the nation. Even if it were feasible to enact such a law, I'd be very much against it.
              Being pro-gun rights in the Bay Area is like being a vegan at an Outback Steakhouse. You know you're right but nobody gives a damn.

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              • #22

                First thing first!

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                • #23
                  Librarian
                  Admin and Poltergeist
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 44633

                  I finally found a good source for the process of initiatives in California.

                  Center for Governmental Studies; in the publication page linked here, read at least Chapter 4. Chapters 7 and 8 are also useful.

                  But the summary, disappointing as it may be, is brutally short:
                  The era of the volunteer-run initiative is over in California...
                  and has been since 1982, the last time a volunteer initiative made it to the ballot.

                  Further, it says
                  The median cost for qualifying an initiative ranged from slightly under $2 million to just
                  over $3 million from 2000 through 2006.

                  ... the vast majority of the 39 campaigns for balloted initiatives between 2000 and 2006 spent more than $1 million on qualification, and 16 spent over $2 million.87

                  The fact that ballot access can be so reliably measured in terms of dollars rather than degree of public concern clearly runs counter to the original intent of the initiative process. ... Ballot qualification in California today is an enormous task requiring the application of expensive campaign technology, a large infusion of funds, and the employment of one or more professional companies from an ever-expanding initiative industry. Money, rather than breadth or intensity of popular support, has become the primary threshold for determining ballot qualification.
                  ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                  Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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