Forfeit Firearm if obtain a medical marjuana card?

[USMCM16A2]

ETA, weak logic.

ETA,


Poor use of logic, are you in medicine? Do you understand why a person taking a prescription med is not the same as a person who smokes weed to just get ****ed up? I have worked in medicine for close to 25 yrs. Yes there are people who abuse prescription drugs, but like us gunowners who get punished year after year for law breakers. Most people use their meds properly. As most of us use our firearms properly and lawfully.
The apologist nannies in California like it when people are weak and intoxicated. So all you MJ sympathizer go have a joint. A2

[omarsalah78]

Who do you think keeps on voting for wealth redistribution and social justice through taking away from the haves?

I don't have a problem with people smoking pot, as long as being clean is a requirement for both getting on welfare AND voting.

You can thank your spoiled entitled socialist approving inner city libtard children... you know the ones saying socialism is a good idea... the bernie supporters


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[USMCM16A2]

Omar I respectfully disagree?

Omar,


I disagree, let's just throw open the borders so whoever wants to come to US. If you throw open the borders there will be less illegal immigrants. You are 100% correct the war on drugs is a dismal failure. But I would rather not have the flood gates open. A2

[Wiz-of-Awd]

AWD,


What double standard? The law is clear as day. 4473 says use pot, lose your your 2A rights. Like alcohol it is just another intoxicant, I would have no trouble if alcohol was involved in the unlawful use of a firearm then it is a permanent loss of your 2A right. A2

The law regarding firearms here in CA is also quite clear, yet here we all are on calguns.net to discuss them and find the means to repeal them, in the name of freedom.

A.W.D.

[omarsalah78]

Omar,


I disagree, let's just throw open the borders so whoever wants to come to US. If you throw open the borders there will be less illegal immigrants. You are 100% correct the war on drugs is a dismal failure. But I would rather not have the flood gates open. A2

Apple's and oranges laws passed in my country apply to my country alone and bringing in borders and immigration the sole example of your argument is simply not even in the same category. Border security and strict scrutiny are paramount to a country. And not comparable to the discussion

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[omarsalah78]

I'm waiting for the same vitriol to be applied to prescription narcotics. Oh wait, they're legal. A doctor has given the OK, so possession and shooting firearms while using Vicodin is A-OK. Got it.

Haha this post ...

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[cvigue]

Or make all drugs legal so you cut off the black markets cash flow( less money =less power= less influence) and rather than dumping the millions we spend on our "war on drugs" (thanks crooked Nixon) we reallocate that money to curing the root cause of the drugs and addiction... mentally health mainly and the rest dump into regulating the new drug industry. .. people want the drugs more since they are illegal look at portland which has seem a massive and steady decline in pot sales...

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It worked for alcohol. People used to get shot up over the brewing industry too, now, not so much.

[Jimi Jah]

Folks,


Well, here we are again, MMJ is this, helps for that, it should be legalized. No matter how you stoners out there spin it, it is illegal. It is another intoxicant, like alcohol. If your drunk using a firearm, you should lose your 2A rights.
I am praying for the day when the DOJ of US, sends the ATF in to arrest, close down the pot shops. Throw the owners in for trafficking, gets the list of buyers of their crap, and takes all of their guns.
Pot smokers/alcoholics are losers, and need to be treated as such. A2 Just in case, same to you.

Perhaps Singapore would be a better fit for you? There they cut off hands and stuff to those stoners.

[IVC]

Or make all drugs legal so you cut off the black markets cash flow( less m power= less influence) ...

I am mostly a libertarian so I actually completely agree.

Legalizing drugs would shift harm from cartels and innocent bystanders to the users and their communities. It would be up to the individual communities to organize themselves and survive. It would decimate certain demographics and areas, but that's the price of freedom and it's not up to me to clean it up for them.

I've always maintained that if drugs were legal we'd get rid of majority of the violence in the world - not only would gangs be gone, but the easy source of financing would be gone in many places.

...and rather than dumping the millions we spend on our "war on drugs" (thanks crooked Nixon) we reallocate that money to curing the root cause of the drugs and addiction...

NO!!

If you want drugs, there is no "we are going to cure..." You want it, you deal with it. Not my responsibility any more. You can't have "I'm free to do what I want," then turn around and say "but, you have to help me out to fix the consequences of my choices."

With the freedom to mess up your life comes my freedom to not care about you and certainly my freedom not to pay for the "needs" of such a society.

See, there is this balance in libertarian views: your freedom to do whatever you want must come with my freedom not to pay anything (no taxes whatsoever) and particularly not to pay for your mistakes. The moment you want me to pay taxes is the moment I get to decide on how the society is organized. The "let's be free" crowd often forgets this latter part...

[cvigue]

With the freedom to mess up your life comes my freedom to not care about you and certainly my freedom not to pay for the "needs" of such a society.

See, there is this balance in libertarian views: your freedom to do whatever you want must come with my freedom not to pay anything (no taxes whatsoever) and particularly not to pay for your mistakes. The moment you want me to pay taxes is the moment I get to decide on how the society is organized. The "let's be free" crowd often forgets this latter part...

I mostly agree, except that as a pragmatic matter I'd be OK, not with 'reallocate that money' but rather with reallocate a tiny fraction of that money for some effort in public service ads and so on to encourage social pressure (AKA shaming) to discourage bad behavior and maybe educate a bit.

The rest of the savings we put along with the money we saved when we adopted the Fair Tax code.

[j15w]

Folks,


Well, here we are again, MMJ is this, helps for that, it should be legalized. No matter how you stoners out there spin it, it is illegal. It is another intoxicant, like alcohol. If your drunk using a firearm, you should lose your 2A rights.
I am praying for the day when the DOJ of US, sends the ATF in to arrest, close down the pot shops. Throw the owners in for trafficking, gets the list of buyers of their crap, and takes all of their guns.
Pot smokers/alcoholics are losers, and need to be treated as such. A2 Just in case, same to you.

Occasionally I drink beer when I'm shooting out in the woods, and so far I've managed to not put anyone else in danger. There is no law against it, not to mention there is a big difference between beer drinkers and alcoholics.

Sounds like you are in favor of taking someone else's rights when you don't approve of it... Which reminds me of liberals... Which isn't a good thing.

[cvigue]

THE LAW SAYS IT IS ILLEGAL.

The same argument could have been made against interracial marriage 100 years ago in many places in America. A flawed argument is still flawed, a century later.

[keenkeen]

The same argument could have been made against interracial marriage 100 50 years ago in many places in America. A flawed argument is still flawed, 1/2 a century later.

FIFY.

But still not a great counter argument...

[onelonehorseman]

The same argument could have been made against interracial marriage 100 years ago in many places in America. A flawed argument is still flawed, a century later.

No one ever said that laws are always just, well contrived, or in the best interest of all.

Recent CA firearms laws are some very good examples of such.

That is irrelevant to the argument. I think the point being made was that IF a law exists that explicitly makes something illegal, then it is, in fact, illegal until the law is changed.

It is up to the individual to either choose to abide by the law, as it exists, or ignore it. Those who choose to ignore it, choose the jeopardy that accompanies their actions.

[PaperPuncher]

I may have violated the posted speed limit more than 4 times in the last 12 months. Am I a coward if I do not relinquish my CDL?

...and who is joining me since most of you passed me every time.