Ban On All Semi-Auto Rifles?

[WARFAB]

Okay, so you don't want to get arrested for your kids. Assumedly because you want to be there for them and provide for them the best quality of life possible. That's totally understandable. But then it begs the question - quality of life - you're willing to see their freedoms eliminated before they even know what those freedoms are.

Luckily for us, a little over 200 years ago some guys who had a whole lot more to lose than any of us decided to risk their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" to start this country.

Now it's always someone else's job. Can't risk the wifi access.

Perhaps we just need to start a hashtag campaign. That'll show 'em.

[myk]

People today don't want freedom, they want comfort. Fighting for traditional American, constitutional rights won't bring you comfort, only the opportunity to do as you choose, succeed or fail. Not too many people want that kind of risk...

[chris]

Article is dated today. Doesn't surprise me if they try to go for an all out ban. What does the CA legislation have to lose?

they wont lose any seats over it that's for sure.

[Gavelek]

Here's a shopping list for next year:
SKS
Saiga
Garand
M1 Carbine
Hakim
What else?

[chris]

It will be interesting to watch.

"Interesting" in a scary/depressing kind of way.

I'm worried that Cuomo is going to decide his draconian gun laws can't be outdone by California. It could lead to a race to the bottom between California and New York.

Meanwhile, in free states:

dude I agree with you. it's a d*ck measuring contest between liberals. NY cant be outdone for CA and visa versa.

I'm worried to as to what your idiots in NY will do and then what our complete and utter idiots will do to outdo you guys.

[all-cal]

That sounds an awful lot like "I can't muster a reasonable defense to what I just said in light of the facts presented."

Don't start a debate if you're just going to pack up your toys and go home when you hear truth that doesn't comport with your desired view of reality. You said that communists don't kill lots of people or build walls. It's easily provable they do both. You took it in that direction by making the claim. I countered by providing facts that refuted it and demonstrated why it's important for a populace to retain its right to be armed. It's still germane to the topic at hand.

You ban semi-auto and you've just disarmed a huge portion of the populace. You've also removed the most effective deterrent to tyranny short of an aware, voting populace (which we do not have and are unlikely to get when everyone is entertained by the bread and circuses of social media). They've already introduced numerous attempts to ban all semi-automatic long guns. Each time they get closer to success. I'm asking you to effectively and convincingly demonstrate to us proof of your claim that if they did pass a ban on semi-automatic rifles and then semi-automatic firearms in general, they would halt there and not continue further down the path towards authoritarianism and the potential for a historic repeat of genocide.

This message is lost on most Americans. Cubans understand, former Soviet citizens understand. Some Chinese understand, but many Chinese want to turn the USA into another Communist China. Most Americans haven't had the weight of communism on their backs, and are like deer in headlights at this time, as the commies (read Democrats) are slowly taking over this state completely.

[chris]

This message is lost on most Americans. Cubans understand, former Soviet citizens understand. Some Chinese understand, but many Chinese want to turn the USA into another Communist China. Most Americans haven't had the weight of communism on their backs, and are like deer in headlights at this time, as the commies (read Democrats) are slowly taking over this state completely.

they have taken over the state completely. Legislatively no Republican support is needed anymore. Thus their plan is complete.

[Den60]

And here I am contemplating whether to get a Mini 14 or 30. That settles it, I'm getting one come the new year.

[zerodameaon]

Also, you just made another argument for stripping LE weapons down to our level. They shouldn't have continually evolving weapons if we can't. They might just use their exemptions against us... like now.

Also lets not forget how hard the insurgents in Afghanistan rocked us with their outdated communist block weapons . A smaller local force with less weaponry is still no laughing matter. With that said I fully support restricting LE to what the citizens have. It would get them to speak out against these dumb laws as well.

[inferno999]

Here's a shopping list for next year:
SKS
Saiga
Garand
M1 Carbine
Hakim
What else?

KelTec RDB (non pistol grip variant)
SU-16
ARES SCR
M1A
Mini 14
Troy PAR
BAR (1918 / 1968 versions)
Benelli R1 (non pistol grip variant)

Etc



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[PaIadin]

really, then what is the plan for a complete ban and surrender of all firearms when it happens in CA?



Its not me saying it, the "do not register" guys are the ones talking about "voting from the rooftops" and illegally hiding weapons.

Why would we kill cops? Its the politicans that are responsible.

[redhead]

I'm rather shocked at the number of people who consider the hard-won 2nd amendment to the constitution, the right to keep and bear arms in order to secure a free state, as no more than protection of a hobby. If you have children and don't want to go to prison, I certainly won't judge you. But I'm getting old, and I'm getting tired of having my right squeezed to the point of non-existence. Do not take this to mean violence. I'm trying to convince my husband that we may very well need to escape to a free state before it's too late.

[sholling]

The NRA has done zip for me in 55 years in this state.

What about the lawsuits that they've funded? Don't they count? I have no idea what you've personally done... Did you join the NRA or kick in money and time to get pro-2A candidates elected? Most people would rather just complain and/or make excuses for not contributing time and money.

[dieselpower]

I agree with a lot of what you say.. but not all.

For the record, I am not answering your question about why it would be justified.

I will ask you one though. In WWII, would it have been justified to murder those sent to round up a certain group of people in Germany?

so you think the confiscation of firearms is the same as genocide.

so a nuke takes out Long Beach, 1.4 million dead and counting. Trump wants to round up all Muslims to put them into camps run by FEMA until an investigation on them is complete. Are you killing the LEO and Soldiers doing the rounding up?

you people talk as if you live in a movie fantasy reality.

at some point in the next 15 years CA will ban and require confiscation of firearms.

whats the plan?

LEO will be dispatched to homes of people suspected of hiding firearms, just as they are now when they raid drug dealers and gang bangers.

whats the plan?

they are running up your driveway, you have illegal unregistered AR15s.

whats the plan?

they are offering you the option to register or move it out of state, and you move it out of state because "screw registration, that leads to confiscation" and you might need it to do what? what are you gonna do with a gun stored miles away?

whats the plan?

you register it, they send a letter saying, turn it in, you refuse.

whats the plan?

after you refuse they dispatch LEO to come get it.

whats the plan?

"from my cold dead hands", "vote from the rooftops", "give em the bullets first", "Molon labe"
all cool tough guy talk. except when the end result is a felony conviction that is valid in every state, even ones where the act is not illegal, or the murder of a Father who was sent to take your illegal firearm is your plan.

If you tell me you will "suicide by cop" as a political protest, great I will toast you and drink a beer over your grave, but the rest of CA will care more about what Kim Kardassian is wearing then some dead guy who wanted to keep his AR15.

I believe in a Strong 2nd Amendment and I live in the wrong freaking State. My views are not even shared by the guys here because I dont believe in any gun laws at all, even rapist, murderers and violent felons have a right to firearms in my beliefs. The rest of this State doesnt share even a portion of my views and I will not commit an act that will risk my firearms freedoms, or take a human life as a protest of the place that doesnt share my beliefs.

I will register, I will comply or I will move. That is my plan. Whats yours?

[glockman19]

so you think the confiscation of firearms is the same as genocide.

so a nuke takes out Long Beach, 1.4 million dead and counting. Trump wants to round up all Muslims to put them into camps run by FEMA until an investigation on them is complete. Are you killing the LEO and Soldiers doing the rounding up?

you people talk as if you live in a movie fantasy reality.

at some point in the next 15 years CA will ban and require confiscation of firearms.

whats the plan?

LEO will be dispatched to homes of people suspected of hiding firearms, just as they are now when they raid drug dealers and gang bangers.

whats the plan?

they are running up your driveway, you have illegal unregistered AR15s.

whats the plan?

they are offering you the option to register or move it out of state, and you move it out of state because "screw registration, that leads to confiscation" and you might need it to do what? what are you gonna do with a gun stored miles away?

whats the plan?

you register it, they send a letter saying, turn it in, you refuse.

whats the plan?

after you refuse they dispatch LEO to come get it.

whats the plan?

"from my cold dead hands", "vote from the rooftops", "give em the bullets first", "Molon labe"
all cool tough guy talk. except when the end result is a felony conviction that is valid in every state, even ones where the act is not illegal, or the murder of a Father who was sent to take your illegal firearm is your plan.

If you tell me you will "suicide by cop" as a political protest, great I will toast you and drink a beer over your grave, but the rest of CA will care more about what Kim Kardassian is wearing then some dead guy who wanted to keep his AR15.

I believe in a Strong 2nd Amendment and I live in the wrong freaking State. My views are not even shared by the guys here because I dont believe in any gun laws at all, even rapist, murderers and violent felons have a right to firearms in my beliefs. The rest of this State doesnt share even a portion of my views and I will not commit an act that will risk my firearms freedoms, or take a human life as a protest of the place that doesnt share my beliefs.

I will register, I will comply or I will move. That is my plan. Whats yours?

The PLAN is to Exercise my Inalienable Rights as Enumerated in both the California and National Constitutions.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE I DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

SECTION 7. (a) A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws; provided, that nothing contained herein or elsewhere in this Constitution imposes upon the State of California or any public entity, board, or official any obligations or responsibilities which exceed those imposed by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution with respect to the use of pupil school assignment or pupil transportation.

SECTION 19. (a) Private property may be taken or damaged for a public use and only when just compensation, ascertained by a jury unless waived, has first been paid to, or into court for, the owner.

BILL OF RIGHTS

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I will NOT register. I will NOT comply. I will NOT move.

If the Founding Fathers thought like you we would be subjects today.

If any ACTOR of the STATE comes to take my lawfully owned property without Due Process, I will exercise my Inalienable Rights to defend my life, while possessing, and protect my property, and obtaining safety...By use of a firearm.