New regs are out (Large-Capacity Magazine rules)

[ifilef]

This is bull****, I buy California complaint 10/30s in 2016 and now they are ban in 2017 unless I epoxy and rivet them. I hope there is a write up on how to rivet and epoxy a ****ing 10/30 mag that came from the manufacturer with a shorten spring and mag block. What's next paint them caution safety orange as well!!!

There's always YouTube.

Unfortunately, I believe that Hexmags Series 1 10/30 were NEVER in compliance with CA law. There's nothing permanent about them.

[ifilef]

You have to read the rest of the new proposed statute though.



Both of those methods qualify as a permanently reduced according to the DOJ. It does not say anything about roll pins and it does not imply other methods meet the standard. While one could argue that the proposed regulations require both epoxy and a rivet, that is due to sentence structure, not meaning.

If you asked someone at the DOJ "How can I permanently reduce the capacity of my mags?" and they read the proposed regulations, their answer would be "Both inserting a mag block and epoxying the floor plate to the magazine body - and - inserting a mag block and riveting it in place through the floor plate or side wall of the magazine body - will permanently reduce the capacity of the magazine"

They will not say, "Or any other method that permanently affixes the floor plate to the magazine body."

They have now defined what permanent means. Both of those methods meet the definition of permanent. Although it is easy to disagree with what is actually permanent, it is clear as day to me what their intent was.

Bold. You are confusing the statute with the regulations. Don't call a regulation a statute because it is NOT a statute.

Also, the purported proposed regulations (for which an official url link has NOT been provided) only give an example of what would be acceptable to DOJ. Concerning epoxy and rivets, one is not mandated to perform as in the regulations if one is in compliance with the statute, PC 16740, by using other methods.

[AKA15]

To: AKA15
Remember, you didn't buy a "large capacity magazine", you bought a 10 round magazine. This law is addressing "magazines with a capacity to accept more than 10 rounds".
JMO

Ahhh yes you are correct. Thanks

[tonyxcom]

Bold. You are confusing the statute with the regulations. Don't call a regulation a statute because it is NOT a statute.

Also, the purported proposed regulations (for which an official url link has NOT been provided) only give an example of what would be acceptable to DOJ. Concerning epoxy and rivets, one is not mandated to perform as in the regulations if one is in compliance with the statute, PC 16740, by using other methods.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/regs/lcmp-text-of-regs.pdf

Thats about as official as it gets. It was also posted in post 3 of this thread.

What I mean regarding these statutes/regulations... it's pretty simple. This is what is likely to become law.

"The regulations have been submitted under California’s emergency rulemaking process, which means they could become effective in just 17 days."

[ifilef]

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...xt-of-regs.pdf

Thats about as official as it gets. It was also posted in post 3 of this thread.

What I mean regarding these statutes/regulations... it's pretty simple. This is what is likely to become law.

"The regulations have been submitted under California’s emergency rulemaking process, which means they could become effective in just 17 days."

No, it was only attached as a pdf file in post #3. Don't be so smug, it is unbecoming. No official url had been provided until yours, and I thank you for it, sort of...

[tonyxcom]

Not trying to be smug at all - but my apologies if I came off that way.

I assumed the source of what we are all discussing was common knowledge by now, this deep into the thread.

[heyjerr]

I can't believe this thread. Why don't you all just bend over and take it up the ********, but only after you have installed your rivets, and have epoxied everything, even your dignity?

Lookit, some may have purchased Hexmags blocked to 10 rounds.

From a practical standpoint, I don't think that any cop cares so long as only 10 fit in the mag.

And, frankly, it's hard to imagine where a LE would demand an inspection. They could probably care less about it and have more important things to do.

Oh .....well, as long as YOU can read the minds of every cop in the state then we don't have anything to worry about. As for me, I think if I go in prepared to encounter Kamala Harris incarnate in uniform, I'll be able to show that I have done my best to comply with (work around/within) the new, albeit $#itty, regs. And all for just a little effort on my part. I really dont care to gamble when there is no payout for me, but only the potential for huge loss. Whether my mag is riveted, epoxied, or welded shut I won't be opening it back up due to these rules. Yup, that sucks alright.

Sorry to pi$$ on your parade, but some of us are trying to help those who re looking for any guidance other than "don't comply, take the hit and spend a lot of money...ah and possibly lose all your gun rights because....you know....it's California and they like to go overboard when it comes to scarygunstuff. I got yer six bro, but only verbally cuz I won't donate any money if you get busted". Being a keyboard commando is not the same as being a spartan.

I don't know if/when the time will come to truly proclaim Molon Labe. But since none of us are drawing blood to resist our oppressors, we have to stick to the boundaries of the judicial & legislative systems. Helping to keep fellow gunners out of harm's way is a good start.

[ucb]

To: AKA15
Remember, you didn't buy a "large capacity magazine", you bought a 10 round magazine. This law is addressing "magazines with a capacity to accept more than 10 rounds".
JMO

bingo

[NationsMostWanted]

bingo

How would they distinguish that if you bought them converted or you doing it it right with how they want it

[inferno999]

bingo

Well, I also bought a "not assault rifle" and now it's going to be "an assault rifle" so, not really sure bingo is the correct answer


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[Jeffersonian]

You have to read the rest of the new proposed statute though.



Both of those methods qualify as a permanently reduced according to the DOJ. It does not say anything about roll pins and it does not imply other methods meet the standard. While one could argue that the proposed regulations require both epoxy and a rivet, that is due to sentence structure, not meaning.

If you asked someone at the DOJ "How can I permanently reduce the capacity of my mags?" and they read the proposed regulations, their answer would be "Both inserting a mag block and epoxying the floor plate to the magazine body - and - inserting a mag block and riveting it in place through the floor plate or side wall of the magazine body - will permanently reduce the capacity of the magazine"

They will not say, "Or any other method that permanently affixes the floor plate to the magazine body."

They have now defined what permanent means. Both of those methods meet the definition of permanent. Although it is easy to disagree with what is actually permanent, it is clear as day to me what their intent was.

You read them as conjunctive? Meaning that you need to rivet and epoxy? The beginning of the reg refers to "both of the following methods" which implies two methods.

[tonyxcom]

No I read them as you need either (a) epoxy or weld or (b) rivet

In both cases a "mag block" is required.

[heyjerr]

You read them as conjunctive? Meaning that you need to rivet and epoxy? The beginning of the reg refers to "both of the following methods" which implies two methods.

And that differs from "either of the following methods" how? I'd love for you to be right.....really do.....but this comes across as needing to use two, not either/or.


Per Webster, definition of both: the one as well as the other

definition of either: being the one or the other of two

[CessnaDriver]

To clarify... come July 2017 what is the punishment if you're caught using a 10+ mag in your featureless or pistol?

Is this an infraction? Risk confiscation and a ticket?
Or Misdemeanor? And what does that mean going forward for that individual?

[tonyxcom]

"A large-capacity magazine that is a box type can have its capacity permanently reduced by using both of the following methods:"

I think the key here is "following methods"

Per webster - a procedure or process for attaining an object

They clearly define (b) as another method when they say "and" at the end of (a)