New regs are out (Large-Capacity Magazine rules)

[tonyxcom]

Riflegear told me the pins are supposed to be permanent so I can't open it to rivet/epoxy

Unfortunately pins don't meet the regs.

[heyjerr]

Riflegear told me the pins are supposed to be permanent so I can't open it to rivet/epoxy

No need to open it up, just put a rivet in it anyway. If it's a PMAG, drill through the logo on the baseplate. It's forward enough of center. That way a visible rivet will reduce questions from anyone who should be minding their own business anyway.

Once we figure out if an external dab/caulking along the baseplate fulfills the req, we'll have all the bases covered.

I'm waiting for the dust to settle before determining if I have to add a thin bead of epoxy around my riveted baseplates as a precaution or not. And for mags where I've used the rivet as a limiter for the follower, I may just put one in the baseplate for cosmetic CYA reasons as an additional precaution.

[NationsMostWanted]

No need to open it up, just put a rivet in it anyway. If it's a PMAG, drill through the logo on the baseplate. It's forward enough of center. That way a visible rivet will reduce questions from anyone who should be minding their own business anyway.

Once we figure out if an external dab/caulking along the baseplate fulfills the req, we'll have all the bases covered.

I'm waiting for the dust to settle before determining if I have to add a thin bead of epoxy around my riveted baseplates as a precaution or not. And for mags where I've used the rivet as a limiter for the follower, I may just put one in the baseplate for cosmetic CYA reasons as an additional precaution.

Yours is like mine? I just hope blinding drilling through I would know what is looks like behind the plate or how thick the block is

Sounds like they want us to epoxy block onto the baseplate then rivet it. But I think the way it's setup with roll pins, I doubt a Leo can check it without breaking it

[ifilef]

I can't believe this thread. Why don't you all just bend over and take it up the ********, but only after you have installed your rivets, and have epoxied everything, even your dignity?

Lookit, some may have purchased Hexmags blocked to 10 rounds.

From a practical standpoint, I don't think that any cop cares so long as only 10 fit in the mag.

And, frankly, it's hard to imagine where a LE would demand an inspection. They could probably care less about it and have more important things to do.

[tonyxcom]

I go to the range with 2-4 mags. 4 rivets aint gonna kill me.

Or you for that matter.

[AKA15]

I can't believe this thread. Why don't you all just bend over and take it up the ********, but only after you have installed your rivets, and have epoxied everything, even your dignity?

Lookit, some may have purchased Hexmags blocked to 10 rounds.

From a practical standpoint, I don't think that any cop cares so long as only 10 fit in the mag.

And, frankly, it's hard to imagine where a LE would demand an inspection. They could probably care less about it and have more important things to do.

You kind of answer my question earlier but a local FFL dealer said all 10/30 are going bye-bye and if I want to comply I need to epoxy them.

I asked then why are you selling 10/30 Hexmags? And the answer was "we will sell out before 2017 and not carry them anymore."

My next question was how do I comply? and he said weld and rivet. I then asked, on plastic, with a blocker, and short spring?

They said Yes all the above.

WTF, please tell me this jackhole is wrong.

[ifilef]

With regard to the proposed regulations as currently written, its pretty clear that magazines would be considered permanently modified if the floor plate is epoxied to the body or a rivet is used through the floor plate/mag block or body/mag block.

That means blind roll pins do not meet the definition (even if we know thats more effective that a rivet).

The easiest answer is to drill a hole in the forward part of the floor plate and install a rivet.

Well, if sentence in bold, above, is true and correct, then it certainly should satisfy the STATUTE?

Do not ignore the statute:

PC 16740.
As used in this part, “large-capacity magazine” means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

*** I just inspected a Series 1 Hexmag at a LGS. I honestly don't see how it has been permanently altered. One can easily remove the base plate and see the magazine block which only has the spring around its base. So, it probably would not pass muster for permanently altered under the statute. That said, I did not make the purchase.

[ifilef]

You kind of answer my question earlier but a local FFL dealer said all 10/30 are going bye-bye and if I want to comply I need to epoxy them.

I asked then why are you selling 10/30 Hexmags? And the answer was "we will sell out before 2017 and not carry them anymore."

My next question was how do I comply? and he said weld and rivet. I then asked, on plastic, with a blocker, and short spring?

They said Yes all the above.

WTF, please tell me this jackhole is wrong.

I think he's correct. Check my post above, re Hexmag Series 1. So, these are probably violative of 16740 right now.

[inferno999]

Nothing is permanent with the use of tools. I could easily drill out a rivet or a spot of epoxy, or grind off a weld, or cut off a block... Etc etc. the new regs help to suggest ways they would accept as permanent, but it is not worded to say they're the only ways. I think a pin would be permanent as well in that it too requires tools to remove.

And yes I would be willing to argue that to a jury, but I don't plan of having to since I'm going to epoxy a few for "in plain view" range use.


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[bubbapug1]

OK class, is 11 larger - or more than - 10?

A.W.D.

Which do you want it to be?? (Lawyers answer)

[tonyxcom]

Well, if sentence in bold, above, is true and correct, then it certainly should satisfy the STATUTE?

Do not ignore the statute:

PC 16740.
As used in this part, “large-capacity magazine” means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

*** I just inspected a Series 1 Hexmag at a LGS. I honestly don't see how it has been permanently altered. One can easily remove the base plate and see the magazine block which only has the spring around its base. So, it probably would not pass muster for permanently altered under the statute. That said, I did not make the purchase.

You have to read the rest of the new proposed statute though.

(b) Prior to July 1, 2017, an individual may dispose of a large-capacity magazine by permanently altering the magazine’s feeding device so that it reduces the capacity to 10 rounds or less.
(1) A large-capacity magazine that is a box type can have its capacity permanently reduced by using both of the following methods:
(A) Inserting a rigid magazine capacity reduction device, also known as a magazine block, into the magazine body and then affixing the floor plate of the magazine to the body of the magazine with permanent epoxy. Metal magazines with metal floor plates have the option of being either welded closed or permanently epoxied closed once the magazine block(s) have been inserted. Due to magazine manufacturing variations (such as drum magazines or tubular magazines) it may be necessary to insert multiple magazine blocks in order to reduce the capacity to 10 rounds; and
(B) Once the capacity of the magazine has been reduced by inserting a rigid magazine block into the magazine, it shall be riveted in place through either the floor plate or side wall of the magazine body.

Both of those methods qualify as a permanently reduced according to the DOJ. It does not say anything about roll pins and it does not imply other methods meet the standard. While one could argue that the proposed regulations require both epoxy and a rivet, that is due to sentence structure, not meaning.

If you asked someone at the DOJ "How can I permanently reduce the capacity of my mags?" and they read the proposed regulations, their answer would be "Both inserting a mag block and epoxying the floor plate to the magazine body - and - inserting a mag block and riveting it in place through the floor plate or side wall of the magazine body - will permanently reduce the capacity of the magazine"

They will not say, "Or any other method that permanently affixes the floor plate to the magazine body."

They have now defined what permanent means. Both of those methods meet the definition of permanent. Although it is easy to disagree with what is actually permanent, it is clear as day to me what their intent was.

[AKA15]

This is bull****, I buy California complaint 10/30s in 2016 and now they are ban in 2017 unless I epoxy and rivet them. I hope there is a write up on how to rivet and epoxy a ****ing 10/30 mag that came from the manufacturer with a shorten spring and mag block. What's next paint them caution safety orange as well!!!

[inferno999]

... What's next paint them caution safety orange as well!!!

SHH! Don't give 'em any ideas!




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[tonyxcom]

This is bull****, I buy California complaint 10/30s in 2016 and now they are ban in 2017 unless I epoxy and rivet them. I hope there is a write up on how to rivet and epoxy a ****ing 10/30 mag that came from the manufacturer with a shorten spring and mag block. What's next paint them caution safety orange as well!!!

California never said they were compliant that I know of. Nevertheless, they said we could keep our grandfathered magazines too, so you aren't in a special position.

[USMCSD]

To: AKA15
Remember, you didn't buy a "large capacity magazine", you bought a 10 round magazine. This law is addressing "magazines with a capacity to accept more than 10 rounds".
JMO