New regs are out (Large-Capacity Magazine rules)

[HK Dave]

Hmm... guess everyone will be buying a 458 socom upper and some custom engraved bottom plates that state 458 socom.

[bubbapug1]

CADOJ said what was legal for 10/30s. They did not say what was illegal. If you think about the round table discussion that eventually distilled into the publication, I'm certain that the department debated this very issue and eventually "approved" a standard that was sure to be 100% legal. While they blessed a higher standard, I doubt a DA would waste their time and resources on prosecuting anyone over a spine riveted 10/30.

I give credit to CADOJ for at least coming out with an opinion to argue against. I haven't seen one from them in awhile, so this is better than recent history. I also am surprised to see the blessing of the KSG.

Keep in mind that inept politicians write the laws. Some employee at BOF has to implement the regs. As long as he or she follows the rule of law in the application of the regs, they are doing what they are paid to do. Most of these laws suck and need to be struck down, but maybe this is a new sign from CADOJ. I would be much happier being licensed by an agency that predictably follows and enforces the law instead of what I have seen in the past.

Absolutely spot on here. The grammar and sentence structure in the regs is pathetic. Why don't they (the DOJ and Assembly) at least hire an english major to clean up the ambiguity in the language???

This ruling is better than what we have had in the recent past. I am not saying I like it, but a clear reg beats going to court to face a court ruling from a clueless judge dictate the legality of something as simple as a mag block procedure.. The methodology of the blocks looks to be copied directly from some of the threads right here on Calguns....including the poor grammar.

A nice tubular mag AR15 with 4 tubes of 10 and that all important selector switch is probably on the drawing board now!! How much did KSG pay someone to secure that ruling!! (just kidding...) All things are possible with corruption.

God bless America and the pay to play system of democracy we now have in place unless you are a coal or gun company!

[BluNorthern]

Absolutely spot on here. The grammar and sentence structure in the regs is pathetic. Why don't they (the DOJ and Assembly) at least hire an english major to clean up the ambiguity in the language???

Because English is their second language.

[Jimi Jah]

Mags are cheap. They wear out. They get replaced. I'm all 10/10's for several years now only because I never want stares or questions. Plus ammo is expensive and mag dumps are a waste of $. They also fit better for bench shooting.

Fly under the radar and you are left alone.

[Jimi Jah]

Absolutely spot on here. The grammar and sentence structure in the regs is pathetic. Why don't they (the DOJ and Assembly) at least hire an english major to clean up the ambiguity in the language???

Because none of the people writing this stuff are native English speakers. It's like those product manuals you get from Asia that seem written by a Kung Fu movie script instead of someone knowing basic English.

[JeffC]

From what I'm seeing the regs have a specific exemption in writing for attaching multiple 10 rounders together. So floorplate connectors are specifically legal. I'm just worried I'm going to have to epoxy the floorplate on my Hexmag 10/30s.

Why?
Is your 10/30 capable of holding more than 10 rounds in its current configuration? If no, than it is not a Large Cap Mag and this legislation is not relevant.

[NationsMostWanted]

Why?
Is your 10/30 capable of holding more than 10 rounds in its current configuration? If no, than it is not a Large Cap Mag and this legislation is not relevant.

So this leg, applies to current non 10 rounds mags only. If your mags are already modified to 10 permanent then we don't have to do anything?

[boltstop]

The difference between are posts is that I am not claiming that possession of +10 round magazines will be a FELONY after 7-1-17 and you are. Can you cite were the law says it will be a "felony"?

"It also will make any widow/widower of a retired LEO an almost instant criminal"

Whatever. Suit yourself. I don't care. Have the last word. I'm off to the range. I have better things to do than argue with you.

Bye.

[JeffC]

So this leg, applies to current non 10 rounds mags only. If your mags are already modified to 10 permanent then we don't have to do anything?

That is how I read the law, and I have seen nothing that suggests differently

[GTOGreg]

No it's true. Shall no longer carries legal weight. As is exemplified in "Shall not be infringed". They still infringe so it really has no import.

And as for permanence, you are good to go with a blind rivet. The text is clear that as long as you use a block, like the magblock, you can either choose to epoxy or rivet in place. The "and" part pertains to the insertion of the block before pinning. The use of a block now is mandatory - you can either epoxy or rivet to hold that block in place for permanence.

Not really small. Saying one word is insignificant is saying all those "shall" words in these regs don't mean much...which if you look them over, means everything.


Actually reading it over they use the word shall when referring to the riveting. So you can epoxy but you shall rivet. Proof they are just trying to screw things up and cause more confusion.

But it's important to remember that these regulations are for high capacity magazines that were lawfully owned. These regulations do not apply to say that new 10/30 pmag a person bought last year that was just riveted or epoxied.

[GTOGreg]

So this leg, applies to current non 10 rounds mags only. If your mags are already modified to 10 permanent then we don't have to do anything?

Correct

[superhondaz50]

So this leg, applies to current non 10 rounds mags only. If your mags are already modified to 10 permanent then we don't have to do anything?

Correct, hexmagss, promags, old c products built at the factory as 10/20's 10/30's etc are good to go since they started life as a 10rd mag at a factory. Other stuff needs to be blocked/rivet/epoxied. Keep in mind that DOJ reg letter is gonna hit all LE offices and le tend not to be gun people. So personally I would be very weary of using mags like hexmags in public as uninformed officer dildo might lock you up since the mag doesn't fit the regs, then it'll be up to you to foot the legal bill to prove those mags are legit. Again just my .02 which isn't worth much

[Squirly]

Thats my method. Limiting block is epoxied ONLY to the spring. You would need to either change the spring (no longer same magazine) or cut the epoxy off.

if you epoxy & rivet they cant say you didnt comply

but how do you clean it if you cant take it apart?

maybe soak in bucket of hot soapy water with simple green, then spray some WD40 to displace the moisuture.

or you could just epoxy the block onto the floorplate, so it could still be disassembled, but the mag block stays glued to the plate?

[9M62]

Remember.... the DOJ guidelines are only examples of what they consider permanent. It is not the only way, nor is it indicative of the minimum standards to be "permanent."

If you come up with another method to reduce the capacity of the magazine it may be completely legal or it may be a grey area that you would be risking having a judge or jury make the recommendation as to whether or not it is permanent.

In either case, don't take the DOJ's examples as gospel. It merely shows you a few examples of what is presumtively legal as well as an idea of where their mindset is to meet permanent status.

[NationsMostWanted]

Correct, hexmagss, promags, old c products built at the factory as 10/20's 10/30's etc are good to go since they started life as a 10rd mag at a factory. Other stuff needs to be blocked/rivet/epoxied. Keep in mind that DOJ reg letter is gonna hit all LE offices and le tend not to be gun people. So personally I would be very weary of using mags like hexmags in public as uninformed officer dildo might lock you up since the mag doesn't fit the regs, then it'll be up to you to foot the legal bill to prove those mags are legit. Again just my .02 which isn't worth much

Well mines not from factory, my pgmags were pinned by riflegear. I don't even know if I can remove the player without breaking the pin.

What do they mean by blocks, don't all converted mags have blocks to reduce from 20/30 to 10