What the heck is the NRA doing for us in California?

[Noble Cause]

I have not approved of every action or lack of on the part NRA.
I have to accept and realize that I don't have to balance the fight on so many fronts. Realize that law is slow and timing is important. Realize it all has to be done within budget. I'm not there to hear the priority or strategy and nowhere near qualified on law and politics. The bottom line is are they my team or not. I'm in the backseat, rightfully so, unless I can come up with the brains to lead the battle.

Some important things that just dawned on me just 5 years ago when I got my lifetime membership: The NRA is not the big superpower that the antis make it out to be. The superpower is law and the Constitution that the NRA protects. I need them protecting the Constitution and then if money and time is available state battles. Without the federal level battle we can't win a state level battle.

I didn't join the NRA for my rifles, I joined for my Constitution, for freedom. I believe I will probably finish my days with an acceptable amount of freedom (40 yrs old), but soon people will be fighting for it. As I've explained to my daughter when she asked why "extra" rifles; my rifles are not for me but for those who come after I'm gone. I ask of her to keep and protect them when I'm gone even if she has no interest in them until the day comes that she knows who's hands they belong in. Freedom will always have a cost, I am lucky if mine is only monetary. I, we, someone will pay the price. NRA is a dirt cheap effort and it's under-supported. It's easy to ask if the NRA did enough, it's hard to ask did I do enough. People that come after us will pay with their lives as the people who came before us did. We are the entitled reaping the benefits.

Sorry for rambling, I hate the long winded guys too, lol.

^^^^^ These Gun Owners Get it....

If we had more Informed, Active Gun Owners like the two gentlemen
above, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ALL THIS ANTI GUN GARBAGE being
forced down our throats by Anti Gun Democrats.

If California had 5 million active NRA Members just by itself,
the Democrats would not be assaulting the Bill of Rights on a
daily basis.

Quit meandering on the Sidelines. It is time to stand up and be counted,
before the Anti Gun Zealots destroy the 2nd Amendment.

You want to push back against the Anti-Rights Crowd ?
The TWO BEST THINGS YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW:

Join the NRA...

Donate to the NRA-ILA
The NRA-ILA does the actual Heavy Lifting in the Political and Legal arenas.
Without your donation, they can't fight effectively against the Anti Gun Hordes.


Noble

[nrasbmc]

Come to the meeting and find out.



NRA Westside Members Council JULY Meeting Announcement




Join us for our June meeting on Thursday, July 14th at 7PM. This month's guest speaker is LANG Columnist Susan Shelly.

Susan Shelly is a columnist for the Los Angeles News Group. She is the author of three books on the U.S, Constitution and the Second Amendment. Susan will talk about the U.S. Supreme Court's past and possibly upcoming decisions related to the Second Amendment. You will definitely want to attend this meeting and meet Susan!!

Please share this information with all supporters of the Second Amendment.



If you have friends who are interested in learning more about/joining the NRA we'd be happy to speak to them at the meeting.


I look forward to seeing you all on Thursday




July 14th@ 7:00pm

American Legion Post 46

5309 South Sepulveda

Culver City, Ca. 90231

[wtm75]

I would agree. Sending me stuff in the mail and then asking me to send in money for it or send it back is ridiculous. Every time I watch Wayne LaPierre speak on firearms issues I always ask myself, is the best we can put up on the national stage to speak for us?

If you feel the NRA isn't going in the direction that represents you, don't support them if you feel fit not to. Find another organization that does. If you still want to support them even though you don't like one aspect of their operation, than by all means, support them . It's your choice, money, and right to do as you wish.

The clowns here feel that you should support them no matter what are the same ones that will fire a divorce lawyer and hire another one that best represents their interests.

They'll totally disregard your points and even when you give them facts that the NRA is not taking the aggressive strategy you want, they'll call you stupid for not supporting the strategy it is currently taking.

Not everyone wants to dodge SCOTUS. Some feel it's time to settle this one way or another because our rights are already gone. In the states that still have their rights somewhat, it's only a matter of time before the Feds pass their version of an AWB. With a SCOTUS decision and a victory, it can't be passed. With a SCOTUS decision and a defeat, it can be passed the same as if you dodge it and don't go to SCOTUS.

Those who feel that way have a right to and have a right to join another organization that has been taking that path.

But if you don't toe their line, you are incapable of learning.

I guess Mr Alan Gura is a stupid person incapable of learning because of his aggressive tactics.

Why don't you guys spoonfeed your correct views to him? Email him.

[wtm75]

^^^^^ These Gun Owners Get it....

If we had more Informed, Active Gun Owners like the two gentlemen
above, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ALL THIS ANTI GUN GARBAGE being
forced down our throats by Anti Gun Democrats.

If California had 5 million active NRA Members just by itself,
the Democrats would not be assaulting the Bill of Rights on a
daily basis.

Quit meandering on the Sidelines. It is time to stand up and be counted,
before the Anti Gun Zealots destroy the 2nd Amendment.

You want to push back against the Anti-Rights Crowd ?
The TWO BEST THINGS YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW:

Join the NRA...

Donate to the NRA-ILA
The NRA-ILA does the actual Heavy Lifting in the Political and Legal arenas.
Without your donation, they can't fight effectively against the Anti Gun Hordes.


Noble

Our membership in NY doubled. We still have the same laws you guys just got and the same liberal politicians 3 years later.

[Noble Cause]

Our membership in NY doubled. We still have the same laws you guys just got and the same liberal politicians 3 years later.

And your ineptitude is to blame.


Noble

[wtm75]

They did combat the Unsafe Act but previously, there was another less restrictive AWB and the Sullivan Act which does not allow you to even be able to touch a handgun unless you are licensed for it. To get licensed, you need to have proper cause. So you cannot go to the store and buy one to take it home. You first have to get a carry license and those are far and few in between depending on the county you live in. These laws were ignored post Heller.

[sbrady@Michel&Associates]

NRA Takes Cases to SCOTUS

If you feel the NRA isn't going in the direction that represents you, don't support them if you feel fit not to. Find another organization that does. If you still want to support them even though you don't like one aspect of their operation, than by all means, support them . It's your choice, money, and right to do as you wish.

The clowns here feel that you should support them no matter what are the same ones that will fire a divorce lawyer and hire another one that best represents their interests.

They'll totally disregard your points and even when you give them facts that the NRA is not taking the aggressive strategy you want, they'll call you stupid for not supporting the strategy it is currently taking.

Not everyone wants to dodge SCOTUS. Some feel it's time to settle this one way or another because our rights are already gone. In the states that still have their rights somewhat, it's only a matter of time before the Feds pass their version of an AWB. With a SCOTUS decision and a victory, it can't be passed. With a SCOTUS decision and a defeat, it can be passed the same as if you dodge it and don't go to SCOTUS.

Those who feel that way have a right to and have a right to join another organization that has been taking that path.

But if you don't toe their line, you are incapable of learning.

I guess Mr Alan Gura is a stupid person incapable of learning because of his aggressive tactics.

Why don't you guys spoonfeed your correct views to him? Email him.

You realize that NRA has supported two AWB challenges all the way to SCOTUS, right?

Friedman v. Highland Park and Kolbe v. Hogan.

Granted both of them were denied review, but that is hardly NRA's fault. NRA also took Jackson v. San Francisco (a case challenging handgun storage requirements and bans on selling hollow point ammo) to SCOTUS and received a dissent from Justices Scalia and Thomas to the denial of review.

Has SAF taken an AWB challenge to SCOTUS? Has SAF filed an AWB lawsuit? Has SAF even filed an amicus brief in any AWB lawsuit? The answer, of course, to all those questions is: no.

To be clear, I am NOT attacking SAF for not doing so, just your logic for supporting SAF while disparaging the NRA.

Can't wait to see where the goal post moves next...

[wpage]

NRA and its ILA has been doing all it can. Regrettably the people dont care... Certain representatives in Kali do not honor thier sworn oath to the constitution

[SIGness]

The NRA has abandoned Cali and NY. Since January 2013 NY has drowned in the SAFE act. Unfortunately, the NRA did nothing! There doing the same to you guys!!!

[Noble Cause]

And the low post count NRA bashers continue to appear, just in time
for the 2016 elections cycle.

Here is the True Enemy of Gun Rights, at this moment in Time:
Democrats


Who do these Concern Trolls attack ? The NRA....


Noble

[dfletcher]

Like I admitted to him, I am mostly responding to educate those reading this, not to convince him. He's likely a lost cause. But his inability to respond to my solid case shows others I am right and his position is baseless (or, more precisely, based on emotion). So, he is actually helping us in a way. Thanks!

It's appropriate we thank him for contributing. By doing the online version of nothing more than "because, that's what I think" he's invited your office to post NRA positive information and reach a great many people, encouraged others to look up and post NRA court cases and politicing and in general allowed more folks to become educated on NRA efforts. Not to mention the RIA "matching donation" to which I've contributed.

Thanks for your responses and good information.

[wtm75]

And the low post count NRA bashers continue to appear, just in time
for the 2016 elections cycle.

Here is the True Enemy of Gun Rights, at this moment in Time:
Democrats


Who do this Concern Trolls attack ? The NRA....


Noble

What are you stupid or something? How do you expect someone from another forum in another state to have a high post count?

I guess the good Calguns guys who joined our forum are trolls for their low post count.

You have to realize that we've been through this already. All the pro NRA stuff was said when we got our law 3 years ago. Now the tune has changed. You'll see with time.

You are just fledglings.

[Noble Cause]

You realize that NRA has supported two AWB challenges all the way to SCOTUS, right?

Friedman v. Highland Park and Kolbe v. Hogan.

Granted both of them were denied review, but that is hardly NRA's fault. NRA also took Jackson v. San Francisco (a case challenging handgun storage requirements and bans on selling hollow point ammo) to SCOTUS and received a dissent from Justices Scalia and Thomas to the denial of review.

Has SAF taken an AWB challenge to SCOTUS? Has SAF filed an AWB lawsuit? Has SAF even filed an amicus brief in any AWB lawsuit? The answer, of course, to all those questions is: no.

To be clear, I am NOT attacking SAF for not doing so, just your logic for supporting SAF while disparaging the NRA.

Can't wait to see where the goal post moves next...

Its becoming increasingly clear he is not here to have a reasonable discourse
on how to save our 2nd Amendment Rights. He is here to simply Bash the
NRA, regardless of the facts.

Without the NRA standing in the way, the Democrats would have already
Nullified the 2nd Amendment out of existence, which is why they Demonize
the NRA on a daily basis. You can probably find Anti NRA articles that
blame the NRA for Baldness, and the extinction of the Dinosaurs...


Noble

[Noble Cause]

What are you stupid or something? How do you expect someone from another forum in another state to have a high post count?

I guess the good Calguns guys who joined our forum are trolls for their low post count.

You have to realize that we've been through this already. All the pro NRA stuff was said when we got our law 3 years ago. Now the tune has changed. You'll see with time.

You are just fledglings.

Funny, I was posting in reference to SIGness, but you, with your
apparent superior intellect, blindly assumed it was directed at you.


Noble

[wtm75]

You realize that NRA has supported two AWB challenges all the way to SCOTUS, right?

Friedman v. Highland Park and Kolbe v. Hogan.

Granted both of them were denied review, but that is hardly NRA's fault. NRA also took Jackson v. San Francisco (a case challenging handgun storage requirements and bans on selling hollow point ammo) to SCOTUS and received a dissent from Justices Scalia and Thomas to the denial of review.

Has SAF taken an AWB challenge to SCOTUS? Has SAF filed an AWB lawsuit? Has SAF even filed an amicus brief in any AWB lawsuit? The answer, of course, to all those questions is: no.

To be clear, I am NOT attacking SAF for not doing so, just your logic for supporting SAF while disparaging the NRA.

Can't wait to see where the goal post moves next...

You guys keep saying the same thing over and over. Yes I do. I know they have tried to combat these new AWB's I've said it more than once.

What I'm saying is that it's too late. They have had multiple chances post Heller and did not do so. Now SCOTUS won't even hear one giving today's climate.

If they would have taken an AWB earlier when the climate was much better and possibly won, a bullet button would have never existed. These laws we both have now recently passed would have never existed.

But because they did not want to take a chance, we have these new laws. Winning earlier would have prevented these laws from happening and if they would have lost, we would have these laws anyway so why not take the chance?

And no. The SAF has not challenged AWB's but they have won some milestone cases and are worthy of a chance. Besides, they don't spam me for money.