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  • #91
    roostersgt
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 1921

    Originally posted by jasmoore3
    I'm not following your train of thought. In a prior post you ask for any examples, claiming there are none. I show you an example and now you claim that proves how rare it is. There are more bad cops than bad shoots. But you will never admit there are bad cops, will you?
    If you're referring to post #55, it is clear I never posed there were NO examples. I stated they were extremely rare and could not recall any, other than the shooting I described. You provided ONE example and ,mentioned "pay-outs"? Lots of cities make pay-outs without admitting wrong doing as a cost of doing business. Baltimore paid out $6 million and so far all 3 officers that went to trial were found "not guilty". More than 2 million police contacts each day and only a handful end up making the news, and out of those, the police are vilified in the media, and found guilty, before anyone knows what the **** happened. In the last two shooting incidents, which ignited the ignorant racist terrorists to respond, both men were armed.

    In the first, the man (a violent paroled sex offender) had already threatened a victim with his gun, resisted police while "illegally" armed and was likely trying to retrieve it from his pocket.

    In the second incident, the man was recognized as a possible armed robbery suspect and was pulled over for identification means / investigation. The video only starts after he was shot and the officer can clearly be heard stating to the passenger that he told him not to move his hands. The gun can be seen on the mans left thigh, or do you believe there was no gun?? It's circled in the picture in the link I provided earlier.

    We don't have all of the facts, and they may very well have been bad shoots, but they don't appear to be from what's known. At any rate, nothing on the videos indicates them to be race based incidents.

    See a pattern here? Mike Brown, Freddie Gray, now these two? Every incident BLM mentions have been declared good shoots by either the county DA, US DOJ, FBI, Grand Juries, or actual state trial juries. I stated before and will say it again, BLM is based upon lie after lie, to suit a political agenda. They are being used to ensure blacks show up at the ballot box and vote for the democrat, Hillary, as she can not win without them showing up in numbers. Keep in mind that police in the US contact more than 2 million people each and every day, and I dare say most of those contacts are likely in the poorer sections of town, where the vast number of crimes occur. Do the math.

    BTW, most of the folks involved in the protests are extremely "low information voters" and don't know any of the facts surrounding ANY of the shootings. Spoke with a couple this afternoon.

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    • #92
      orangeusa
      • Jul 2009
      • 9055

      A killer is still a killer no matter how he/she is dispatched . How can you argue this for three days?

      .
      Last edited by orangeusa; 07-11-2016, 5:30 AM.

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      • #93
        myk
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2012
        • 5955

        Originally posted by nagzul
        This isn't going to be popular. That guy was a lot of things, but a coward he was not. He faced down the whole Dallas police Dept and had them hiding.
        His cause just wasn't OUR cause. To him, that final line was crossed. I hear people on these forums say they would fire on anyone who tries to come for their guns.
        He must have put police shootings where he drew the line.
        Was he right? Nope. But he wasn't a coward either.
        I would suggest that sniping unsuspecting people is an act of extreme cowardice. If someone came knocking for our guns I'm sure at least one of us would tell the men in black that s**t was about to get real. The rest of us would just gladly hand over our evil guns, snap a selfie with the men in black for Instagram, and then hit the nearest Starbucks or local brewery/pub for some classic beach-town relaxation...


        I don't always save the world, but when I do, it's in 24 hours or less...

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        • #94
          nagzul
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 665

          I don't believe that BS about him matching an armed robbery suspect for a second. Sounds like made up cover for a bad shoot.
          The problem is, not once does a cop or cops, just stand up, head high and say I made a ****ing mistake. THATS how respect is earned and restored.
          Not all cops are bad, but most have their moments.
          A day may come when the will of man fails, but it is not this day.

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          • #95
            ZIPP1
            Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 181

            Heck I heard some high people are saying to disarm cops, which is a no no to me. Disarm the bad apples not the good ones.

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            • #96
              berg
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 1963

              Originally posted by LBDamned
              Everything I've read said SKS... are you really just realizing this?

              Please tell me you guys aren't getting all your info from the talking heads on TV and Internet forums...
              It wasn't an SKS. It was a Saiga.


              This was the rifle recovered.
              Last edited by berg; 07-11-2016, 5:37 PM.
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              • #97
                j-shot
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2014
                • 1646

                Originally posted by nagzul
                This isn't going to be popular. That guy was a lot of things, but a coward he was not. He faced down the whole Dallas police Dept and had them hiding.
                His cause just wasn't OUR cause. To him, that final line was crossed. I hear people on these forums say they would fire on anyone who tries to come for their guns.
                He must have put police shootings where he drew the line.
                Was he right? Nope. But he wasn't a coward either.
                Why did he do the shooting in hiding?

                Why after being cornered did he not surrender then? "Take his medicine."

                Coward is the answer.

                Originally posted by myk
                I would suggest that sniping unsuspecting people is an act of extreme cowardice. If someone came knocking for our guns I'm sure at least one of us would tell the men in black that s**t was about to get real. The rest of us would just gladly hand over our evil guns, snap a selfie with the men in black for Instagram, and then hit the nearest Starbucks or local brewery/pub for some classic beach-town relaxation...
                Sniping the unsuspecting, many in the back.

                Shooter was a racist coward.
                Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
                ...what we have here is a hillary panty sniffer...
                Originally posted by Appleseed
                A Rifleman understands that owning and mastering a rifle is part of his heritage as an American.
                Originally posted by ProShooter
                No man, butt rape is happening like, all of the time in prison. It's basically just one huge orgy.

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                • #98
                  ironpegasus
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 578

                  Originally posted by chris
                  did they actually use a claymore? if they did that guy was shredded hamburger after that thing went off.

                  next question is this what are the police doing with military explosives?
                  News I heard this morning was that there wasn't much left except the hand they used to pull prints, so whatever they used, it was pretty high octane. Doesn't mean it was a claymore, but there are plenty of other military application explosives (C4 and the like) that have valid application for breaching or controlled demolition in SWAT/bomb squad scenarios.

                  It's not like it takes a genius to make a field expedient anti-personnel explosive from there - ball bearings, screws, nails - if you've already got the explosives, turning it into a claymore equivalent is child's play and something any department ordnance tech can do.

                  Hearing that the guy got shredded though further increases my desire to question whether this is a precedent that we want to sanction as a standard police tactic or not. Again, not saying that in this instance he didn't have it coming, but it's a very slippery slope.

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                  • #99
                    ironpegasus
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 578

                    Originally posted by berg
                    It wasn't an SKS. It was a Saiga.


                    This was the rifle recovered.
                    Was that on-scene? That looks like a lot of crumbled concrete and collateral damage to the building if it is. Just how much explosives did they load that robot up with?

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                    • desert dog
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2008
                      • 786

                      Originally posted by berg
                      It wasn't an SKS. It was a Saiga.


                      This was the rifle recovered.
                      Maybe its too early to say it, but......that explosive charge basically vaporized the bad guy and blew apart the concrete structure around him, yet that AK still looks perfectly functional. Amazing, considering that the BG was most likely holding that rifle when the charge was detonated.

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                      • roostersgt
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 1921

                        Originally posted by nagzul
                        I don't believe that BS about him matching an armed robbery suspect for a second. Sounds like made up cover for a bad shoot.
                        The problem is, not once does a cop or cops, just stand up, head high and say I made a ****ing mistake. THATS how respect is earned and restored.
                        Not all cops are bad, but most have their moments.
                        The robbery BOLO put out a day earlier, which depicted a man very similar to him along with the police radio recording for that time frame backs up the officer's story so far. Waiting to see if the recovered handgun is the same "uncommon" one used in the robbery. Your disbelief requires many police people to be involved in a large conspiracy to cover up a "bad" shoot. Still haven't seen where the officer has been arrested, or a grand jury / DA's Office recommends charges. Been almost a week. Hopefully we'll get more facts soon.

                        Link to "leaked" pictures of gunman and his weapon. Chief said earlier they used 1 pound of C4 and detonated it next to bad guy. Turned his insides to goo with the blast, which contained no fragments.



                        Just in, Court House shooting in Michigan just announced. One cop dead, multiple citizens hit.
                        Last edited by roostersgt; 07-11-2016, 12:32 PM.

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                        • SVT-40
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 12894

                          Originally posted by desert dog
                          Maybe its too early to say it, but......that explosive charge basically vaporized the bad guy and blew apart the concrete structure around him, yet that AK still looks perfectly functional. Amazing, considering that the BG was most likely holding that rifle when the charge was detonated.
                          No, the bad guy was not vaporized. There is a photo or photos of him available on the net if you decide to look for them.

                          The stuff you see is mostly shattered tiles from a suspended ceiling it's not strong, and crumbles easily... Most of it is white on one side, and made of compressed recycled paper so it's grey in color. You can see some of the ceiling frame between the officers legs...

                          The charge according to the Dallas Chief was one pound of C4.
                          Poke'm with a stick!


                          Originally posted by fiddletown
                          What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                          • SVT-40
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 12894

                            Originally posted by ironpegasus
                            Hearing that the guy got shredded though further increases my desire to question whether this is a precedent that we want to sanction as a standard police tactic or not. Again, not saying that in this instance he didn't have it coming, but it's a very slippery slope.
                            Isn't that kind of like crying foul if a suspect were to be shot with a .50 cal rifle vs a .308 rifle?

                            As in, to much rifle?

                            In the end the device was controlled by a human just like a rifle.

                            In a rifle the explosion is contained in the chamber which shoots the bullet out of the rifle into the suspect...Threat over.


                            In this case the explosion was just not contained in a rifles chamber, and no projectile hit the suspect. Instead the explosion hit the suspect ending the threat.

                            As far as being a "standard" police tactic....Well it is simply not...Nor will it ever be.
                            Poke'm with a stick!


                            Originally posted by fiddletown
                            What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                            • Untamed1972
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 17579

                              Originally posted by j-shot
                              Why did he do the shooting in hiding?

                              Why after being cornered did he not surrender then? "Take his medicine."

                              Coward is the answer.



                              Sniping the unsuspecting, many in the back.

                              Shooter was a racist coward.
                              Nothing different than our military does. Nothing different that SWAT would do either for the most part. Only those nutty jihadist intentionally set themselves up to be killed and "martyred". When you want to be "effective" and "inflinct maxium casualties" you use tactics that further that goal.


                              Funny how a couple years ago DHS was all worried about returning, disgruntled, right wing VETs being the "home grown terrorists". But as usual......its usually the lefties you gotta keep an eye on.
                              "Freedom begins with an act of defiance"

                              Quote for the day:
                              "..the mind is the weapon and the hand only its extention. Discipline your mind!" Master Hao, Chenrezi monastery, Valley of the Sun

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                              • kenla
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 9

                                We must not let this latest distraction in Dallas to further militarize the police cloud the more important issue of HOW IN THE SAM HELL CAN THE CRIMINAL HILLARY CLINOKIO BECOME PRESIDENT!!!!!

                                Get out and VOTE when it counts and for now VOTE with your wallet and buy more firearms, ammunition, parts, and train! Register with the communists? MOLON LABE!

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