AB 1663- Chiu, 2016 - Dead in Committee

[BluNorthern]

^^^ media is the true problem here...

I seriously / foolishly thought the SB tragedy would open the eyes to people that a mag lock (bullet button) is pointless... Instead, it led to more proposed restrictions... exactly why I wish people would stop highlighting how current laws do nothing - it only feeds the uninformed to believe more must be done.

Well...since the media refuses to call it what it was...a terrorist attack...and instead keeps repeating " mass shooting, mass shooting "...

[T. Pratt]

Right idea - but I think this would have more beneficial impact :http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...7&postcount=33

^^^ media is the true problem here...

I seriously / foolishly thought the SB tragedy would open the eyes to people that a mag lock (bullet button) is pointless... Instead, it led to more proposed restrictions... exactly why I wish people would stop highlighting how current laws do nothing - it only feeds the uninformed to believe more must be done.

FOX News falsely reported that the S.B. terrorists rifles had bullet buttons on them which converted them from semi to full auto. So it is our job to expose these errors and set the record straight. We have to be ambassadors for the second amendment and present firearm ownership in a positive light. In other words, be yourself, avoid being in your face about it, and present an intelligent non confrontational fact based response. Put another way, be prepared to give an answer for your reason for owning firearms, and do it with a soft hand instead of an iron fist.

[matix101]

FOX News falsely reported that the S.B. terrorists rifles had bullet buttons on them which converted them from semi to full auto. So it is our job to expose these errors and set the record straight. We have to be ambassadors for the second amendment and present firearm ownership in a positive light. In other words, be yourself, avoid being in your face about it, and present an intelligent non confrontational fact based response. Put another way, be prepared to give an answer for your reason for owning firearms, and do it with a soft hand instead of an iron fist.

I highly doubt there is any way we could do this but what about getting ahold of fox somehow and having them recant their statements, possibly bombarding them with emails.
We need a lawyers input because isnt that like lybel or whatever lying in the press is called maybe slander toward firearms idk.....
Because that seems to be a huge deal this bill states bullet button ban so people see that, remember the idiot fox reporter saying "bullet buttons make rifles automatic" then they think we don't want that, bullet buttons are bad I'm for this bill.

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[umd]

the media

Well that's the problem right there

[sl0re10]

I am not saying im in favor of any of this nonsense legislation in any way shape or form but i suggest you look into your facts, the bulk majority at least of all the recent mass shootings, of coarse excluding gangbangers shooting each other with their sideways handguns and people taking their own lives via firearm, has been with semi auto rifles like the popular armalite rifle platform, thats why they get such a bad stigma, because these dirty politicians put them out on a white sheet in the street, and say "look at this horribly scary tactical weapon of war that has just killed x number of people".
But again none of these stupid nonsense bills ever address the real problem: the mentally ill, disgruntal, unstable person pulling the trigger.

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sure; but all rifle type account for 55 murders a year in this state. They don't break them out by type so we don't know how many are ARs but it is not anywhere near all 55.

Is all this hubbub necessary over that? No; not really IMO (not the least of which, there is no reason those murders would not happen without rifles around....). Plus we are not counting the positives... and of course, one of the positives is a check on the state's power... which is why the state doesn't want you to have them.

Its a media / democrat created crisis IMO.

[T. Pratt]

I highly doubt there is any way we could do this but what about getting ahold of fox somehow and having them recant their statements, possibly bombarding them with emails.
We need a lawyers input because isnt that like lybel or whatever lying in the press is called maybe slander toward firearms idk.....
Because that seems to be a huge deal this bill states bullet button ban so people see that, remember the idiot fox reporter saying "bullet buttons make rifles automatic" then they think we don't want that, bullet buttons are bad I'm for this bill.

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Actually, that's an opportunity for you and I to expose the fallacies that the public is being fed. For example, after the San Bernardino shooting, I went into Bass Pro with my AR. As I was checking in, an older lady became very curious about my rifle. Responding to her curiosity, I explained the intricacies of the rifle to her, and included the bullet button fallacy with actual fact. She was quick to send a scathing letter to Bill O'Reilly about her discovery. And that's what we should be dong each and every time someone attempts to lie to the public. So what do you think the California climate would be like if thousands of people, like you and I, just concentrated on our own individual spheres of influence?

[RRangel]

I am not saying im in favor of any of this nonsense legislation in any way shape or form but i suggest you look into your facts, the bulk majority at least of all the recent mass shootings, of coarse excluding gangbangers shooting each other with their sideways handguns and people taking their own lives via firearm, has been with semi auto rifles like the popular armalite rifle platform, thats why they get such a bad stigma, because these dirty politicians put them out on a white sheet in the street, and say "look at this horribly scary tactical weapon of war that has just killed x number of people".
But again none of these stupid nonsense bills ever address the real problem: the mentally ill, disgruntal, unstable person pulling the trigger.

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Rifles are seldom used in crime. The reason that dirty politicians fixate on them, is their slanted leftist political ideology, that demands the marginalization of citizens. Where they use emotional rhetoric, to hopefully put themselves, into a positive sort of political limelight.

Thus ensuring, the fact that it's their constituents committing a large percentage of the notable crime, is last thing ever mentioned in said media if at all. Attacking the Second Amendment is one big red herring.

[matix101]

Rifles are seldom used in crime. The reason that dirty politicians fixate on them, is their slanted leftist political ideology, that demands the marginalization of citizens. Where they use emotional rhetoric, to hopefully put themselves, into a positive sort of political limelight.

Thus ensuring, the fact that it's their constituents committing a large percentage of the notable crime, is last thing ever mentioned in said media if at all. Attacking the Second Amendment is one big red herring.

Yeah i just don't understand how they are allowed to soo openly skew the facts in this manner.
They are just bold faced lying about what is really going on, i also dont see how the fbi just keeps their mouth shut when its their statistics that undoubtedly prove these california slimewads are absolutely lying!!!!
I just dont get how none of these bastards are ever charged for their crimes!!!

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[matix101]

As proved by several here i genuinely beleived that these rifles were used in a huge number of crimes, which as you've all showed me is absolutely false!!
Thats freakin disgusting and quite frankly kinda terrifying, what else are they lying about?

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[ddestruel]

[CalMike]

@ matix101

One data source I find credible (and interesting) is the FBI's website. They put out crime statistic data every year. You have to dig a bit but there is tons of information there. Here is one table you may find interesting:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls

In a nutshell...

2014 Murder Victims: 11,961

Killed by Firearms: 8,124

Breakdown of Firearms:
Handgun: 5,562
Rifle: 248
Shotgun: 262
Other guns: 93
Firearms (type not stated): 1,959

While a mass majority of murders are committed with firearms, a small minority of them are committed with rifles (about 5%). Keep in mind that 5% is all rifles, not just scary black one's.

Hope this does not take us off topic but the reason people go along with "common sense gun laws" is the misconception of what the facts are. Yes, AR's and AK's have been used in mass shootings but the number of people killed by these weapons (domestically) is very low. The media builds it up as if it is an epidemic where owning these rifles creates these scenario's but the bottom line is, these are the exact kinds of firearms that would be needed if there ever was a need to stand your ground and protect yourself or push back on tyranny. A rifle is a proper fighting weapon, the GOV knows it, and doesn't want you to have it.

[bobbodaggit]

Yeah moonbeams not up for re-election, so he also has nothing to lose by vetoing them. California democrats are not damaged by supporting gun control during re-election anyway.

The governor likely owns or uses semi auto rifles with detachable magazines. He knows how many violent crimes are committed with these rifles and understands statistics. He knows how utterly pointless and unenforceable a ban of them would be towards stopping crime. I don't think the 2A as an individual right per Heller/McDonald was the primary motivation for his vetoes. I think to get his continued vetoes, we have to keep showing the futility of the bills, which DeLuz has done in the hearings. Even if the legislative Dems won't listen, Brown is.

[ColdDeadHands1]

The governor likely owns or uses semi auto rifles with detachable magazines. He knows how many violent crimes are committed with these rifles and understands statistics. He knows how utterly pointless and unenforceable a ban of them would be towards stopping crime. I don't think the 2A as an individual right per Heller/McDonald was the primary motivation for his vetoes. I think to get his continued vetoes, we have to keep showing the futility of the bills, which DeLuz has done in the hearings. Even if the legislative Dems won't listen, Brown is.

You make MOONBEAM sound like the gun packin governor of Texas! Pretty rosy picture you have painted here. Quit kidding yourself and all of us. The liberal Jerry Brown will make you feel good by rejecting half of the anti gun bills. Then he will stick it up our rears by signing the other half just like last year.

What's worse is that all the Calguns libs will sing his praises for only partially undermining our 2A rights instead of completely burying them.

[tracy9676]

You make MOONBEAM sound like the gun packin governor of Texas! Pretty rosy picture you have painted here. Quit kidding yourself and all of us. The liberal Jerry Brown will make you feel good by rejecting half of the anti gun bills. Then he will stick it up our rears by signing the other half just like last year.

What's worse is that all the Calguns libs will sing his praises for only partially undermining our 2A rights instead of completely burying them.

If Gavin Newsom get elected, then Brown will look like a gun nut in comparison.

Sorry, only hope we have in maintaining what rights we have is Newsom suffering a sudden myocardial infarction.

Keep your fingers crossed.

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[Sizzlechest]

What about 80% lowers. Would they have to be registered as well?