AB 1663- Chiu, 2016 - Dead in Committee

[Cokebottle]

How much time do we have to try to fight this? When is it supposed to get voted on?

http://www.dof.ca.gov/fisa/bag/Initiatives%20and%20Propositions.htm

Initiative supporters have 150 days from the date of the official summary to gather the required signatures. An initiative must be signed by registered voters, equal to 5 percent for a statute (IS) and 8 percent for a Constitutional amendment (ICA) of the total number of votes cast for all the candidates for Governor in the previous election. County clerks handle signature validation; the Secretary of State also has some verification duties before it qualifies initiatives for the ballot.

A measure that qualifies is placed on the ballot at the next general election held at least 131 days after it qualifies. The Governor may call a special statewide election for the measure. The total approximate time estimated to place a statewide initiative measure on the ballot is 12 months.

Petition signatures needed are based on the turnout of the immediate previous election. We had 7.5 million voters show up, so fewer than 400,000 signatures are needed for this.
It is more difficult to qualify a measure for the Gubernatorial election due to the 13 million typical turnout for Presidential elections.

[Cokebottle]

That is good news! Hopefully it will have some positive impact on what happens here in CA.

I wouldn't call it a field goal from our perspective, but it's a first down.

[Librarian]

How much time do we have to try to fight this? When is it supposed to get voted on?

"This" is the proposed bill.

See the first post in the thread; click on the link that takes you to the Legislative bill page. The schedule for the bill hearings will appear in the Daily File, and the results will be posted at the bill page.

[machrono]

People Have A 'Fundamental Right' To Own Assault Weapons, Court Rules

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/assault-weapons-constitutional-protection_us_56b38ec7e4b08069c7a65c21?

[CandG]

People Have A 'Fundamental Right' To Own Assault Weapons, Court Rules

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...08069c7a65c21?

Unfortunately, not a court that matters to CA.

Unlikely to affect us unless SCOTUS makes a ruling on the case, in another 5 or 10 years, if ever.

[spike90049]

People Have A 'Fundamental Right' To Own Assault Weapons, Court Rules

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...08069c7a65c21?

So now I guess wait to see if the same mickey mouse politicking goes on there like it did here in the 9th and there's another magical do over en banc request.

[Mr. Patis]

Get ready for some jail time. Or maybe acute lead poisoning as well. There is no fight to be fought here. I'll continue saying what I've been saying all along: there is no fight here. It's over. We lost. We are vastly, VASTLY out outvoted by leftists. It's not even close. There is nothing we can do to stop it, this state is a lost cause. It's not going to get better, it's going to get worse, as a tidal wave of ready made Dem voters flood into this country with their hands out for all the freebies.

California is not now nor has it ever been my home. You can stay here and spend the rest of your life tilting at windmills, sans 2A rights. I will be getting out as soon as I can.

I'll help you pack up all your things so you can be on your way

[JeffSD]

I'll help you pack up all your things so you can be on your way

Nothing would make me happier. Let's be clear, I'm not from California, I was born and raised in Free America, and I never wanted to live here. Not just because of the draconian gun laws, but also because of the pervasive liberalism, high taxes and cost of living, and the Godawful boring weather, day in and day out. If there was a way I could leave today I would already be packed. For the time being, I am stuck here.

I am basically a single issue voter, so I'll be voting pro gun like I always do. That's a matter of principle, not because I think it will do a damn bit of good.

[FlyingPen]

Question, if this goes into effect does it mean that bullet buttoned rifles will have to be converted to fixed magazine or will it be considered "pre-ban"?

[robertkjjj]

I like the way you think, and write.
You just may be my new hero on here.
Thanks!

Like what I'm talking about above, applies here. OK - we get it, but what's the point of repeat posts over and over saying this in a thread started essentially by the head janitor of the site itself, which is in a sense a call-to-arms?

The way I see the post above is like this: there really is no need for an Atheist to post or even go into the forum entitled "Discussions of Faith" and deride the beliefs, good-fight, and discussions of those in that forum, or even repeatedly profess there is no God.

How does that serve you OR the people in that forum? What's the point? Especially when it's something you can't prove is true beyond a reasonable doubt.


Therefore, just as Atheists should be kicked out of that forum, as they aren't discussing faith, similarly "Anti-ists" should be kicked out of this forum or thread. You really don't have any business being here and your input serves nobody, nor is it something you can prove is true beyond a reasonable doubt.

So OK, we get that YOU see fighting this legislation in CA as futile, useless, there is no fight here FOR YOU. It's over FOR YOU. YOU lost FOR YOU.

YOU don't speak for the WE - and I question anyone who repeatedly upholds such a chant and mantra. Why are you here in the first place?

[CandG]

Question, if this goes into effect does it mean that bullet buttoned rifles will have to be converted to fixed magazine or will it be considered "pre-ban"?

Interesting question.

The bill does grandfather in any of the newly defined "assault weapons" purchased before January 1, 2017, and requires registration of them, in the same way that everyone had to in 1989.

The question is, (and this was brought up during the Yee bullet-button bill a few years ago), are they added to a different assault weapon registry, or the same one? If they are added to the same one, then do all of our currently owned bullet-button rifles become get lumped together with all the other pre-1989 RAW's? I think we all can figure out, without me spelling it out on a public forum, what that would me for us.

[FlyingPen]

And thus started the great lower rush of 2016.

[CandG]

And thus started the great lower rush of 2016.

No kidding.... definitely going to be buying a dozen or two pretty soon here.

Look at the plus side - this is isolated to CA, so getting lowers from out of state shouldn't be any more difficult than normal. Not like a national panic - which I'm sure we'll see in the coming months as well.

[Devon]

Don't hate on California so much

Nothing would make me happier. Let's be clear, I'm not from California, I was born and raised in Free America, and I never wanted to live here. Not just because of the draconian gun laws, but also because of the pervasive liberalism, high taxes and cost of living, and the Godawful boring weather, day in and day out. If there was a way I could leave today I would already be packed. For the time being, I am stuck here.

I am basically a single issue voter, so I'll be voting pro gun like I always do. That's a matter of principle, not because I think it will do a damn bit of good.

This is a resource for people who live in California and own guns. I don't feel that constantly dumping crap on California is productive in regards to any gun issues in any way.

[CandG]

This is a resource for people who live in California and own guns. I don't feel that constantly dumping crap on California is productive in regards to any gun issues in any way.

I agree... most of us are here by necessity, or because we like it here aside from the politics and economics, otherwise we wouldn't be here. It's unproductive to announce that you are throwing your hands up in your air, tucking your tail under your legs, and getting out of this state. Good for you - but the announcement doesn't really help the rest of us who are sticking around trying to make a difference.