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  • GMONEY
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 1921

    Hutchens says she disagrees with supervisors and will let voters decide her fate...

    "This week, Hutchens and county attorneys told supervisors that a revoked gun permit would be filed in a statewide database on firearms but not on criminal history databases."

    I guess I will be entered into the system and LEO will assume I am a criminal even though I am not...

    "Hutchens said she understands that her stance on gun permits has created political enemies from the gun activists. But she thinks they are a minority and that the broader community respects her approach."

    Wow... Elitism at it's finest...

  • #2
    Black Majik
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2005
    • 9677

    Well, my first thought was... well it doesn't matter since it will be bleeped out anyways..

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    • #3
      dustoff31
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2007
      • 8209

      Originally posted by GMONEY
      "Hutchens said she understands that her stance on gun permits has created political enemies from the gun activists. But she thinks they are a minority and that the broader community respects her approach."

      Sadly, she is probably right.
      Last edited by dustoff31; 12-18-2008, 5:23 PM.
      "Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive." - Westbrook Pegler

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      • #4

        Someone should ask her if her stance on CCW extends to herself off duty or if she is booted will she carry after she is no longer a LEO.

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        • #5
          Bad Voodoo
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Jan 2007
          • 2884

          Originally posted by GMONEY
          "This week, Hutchens and county attorneys told supervisors that a revoked gun permit would be filed in a statewide database on firearms but not on criminal history databases."

          I guess I will be entered into the system and LEO will assume I am a criminal even though I am not...

          "Hutchens said she understands that her stance on gun permits has created political enemies from the gun activists. But she thinks they are a minority and that the broader community respects her approach."

          Wow... Elitism at it's finest...

          http://www.ocregister.com/articles/g...-carona-county
          They. Don't. Care.

          But that's ok, CA!!! Keep voting them in there!!!

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          • #6
            N6ATF
            Banned
            • Jul 2007
            • 8383

            So either she went back on her word that she would wait for the DOJ to reply to take any action, or the DOJ actually replied when they almost never do, and were predicted not to in this case as well.

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            • #7
              Harrison_Bergeron
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 1974

              Which them are you referring to?

              Originally posted by Bad Voodoo
              They. Don't. Care.

              But that's ok, CA!!! Keep voting them in there!!!
              "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

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              • #8
                tango-52
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 779

                Originally posted by Bad Voodoo
                They. Don't. Care.

                But that's ok, CA!!! Keep voting them in there!!!
                She was appointed to fill out the term of the previous Sheriff (currently indicted by the Feds), not voted into office.
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                • #9
                  yellowfin
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 8371

                  Yet another case where official oppression law would come in handy. That attitude coupled with some actions would have consequences for her. Hey Santa Gene, can you put that in our stocking?
                  "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
                  Originally posted by indiandave
                  In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
                  Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.

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                  • #10
                    anthonyca
                    Calguns Addict
                    • May 2008
                    • 6316

                    Originally posted by GMONEY
                    "

                    "Hutchens said she understands that her stance on gun permits has created political enemies from the gun activists. But she thinks they are a minority and that the broader community respects her approach."



                    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/g...-carona-county
                    This is why the founding fathers esablished a constitutional republic and NOT A DEMOCRACY. I would like her to show anywhere in the Constitution where it speaks that we are a democracy or that the minority can have rights trampled.
                    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

                    Originally posted by Wherryj
                    I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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                    • #11
                      rynando
                      Member
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 190

                      Originally posted by anthonyca
                      This is why the founding fathers esablished a constitutional republic and NOT A DEMOCRACY. I would like her to show anywhere in the Constitution where it speaks that we are a democracy or that the minority can have rights trampled.
                      Sadly in this state CCW is not a right . . . it's a privilege which is handed out at the pleasure of CLEOs. The only real remedy for a non-issuing Sheriff is an election.

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                      • #12
                        sholling
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 10360

                        The incumbent sheriff protection act assures that she will be reelected. It's a sure thing since it's illegal for the rabble (mere citizens) to run for that office. No viable (legal) alternative means automatic election. She knows darn well her job is safe. And you can count on her to move on her enemies as some as the coronation is over.
                        "Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." --FREDERIC BASTIAT--

                        Proud Life Member: National Rifle Association, the Second Amendment Foundation, and the California Rifle & Pistol Association

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                        • #13
                          steadyrock
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 10235

                          Originally posted by sholling
                          The incumbent sheriff protection act assures that she will be reelected. It's a sure thing since it's illegal for the rabble (mere citizens) to run for that office. No viable (legal) alternative means automatic election. She knows darn well her job is safe. And you can count on her to move on her enemies as some as the coronation is over.
                          ???

                          You need to get your facts straight. The only "Incumbent Sheriff Protection Act" I've ever heard of requires a sitting sheriff up for re-election to take a leave of absence during a campaign. This is to protect their campaign from potentially negative blowback of big police actions during that time, and it's not even on the books in Orange County.

                          You could run for Sheriff in 2010, assuming you meet the minimum qualifications of age, citizenship, and so forth. I could run. Lots of people could. And I know of at least one who will be. This girl is going to be shown the door along with many of the supervisors who appointed her in 2010. If we work together we can assure that because together, we win.
                          Do not give in to evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it.

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                          • #14
                            sholling
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 10360

                            Originally posted by steadyrock
                            ???

                            You need to get your facts straight. The only "Incumbent Sheriff Protection Act" I've ever heard of requires a sitting sheriff up for re-election to take a leave of absence during a campaign. This is to protect their campaign from potentially negative blowback of big police actions during that time, and it's not even on the books in Orange County.

                            You could run for Sheriff in 2010, assuming you meet the minimum qualifications of age, citizenship, and so forth. I could run. Lots of people could. And I know of at least one who will be. This girl is going to be shown the door along with many of the supervisors who appointed her in 2010. If we work together we can assure that because together, we win.
                            You need yo get your facts straight. Buford Pusser types are not legal in California. You must meet strict standards for law enforcement experience. That includes an advanced certificate issued by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training and between one and fours years as a full time paid LEO depending on the candidate's education. Do you have an advanced certificate? I don't so I can't run. I'm afraid that you mistook California for America. This is a law that was put in place by Brad Gates' cronies to protect then sheriff Gates when Judge Bobby Youngblood was a serious contender for the job.

                            BTW while your reading the link that I included for you you'll see why it's important to get a good lawyer to handle civil rights challenges.
                            Name calling in any context is not allowed, find a more appropriate way to express your opinion.

                            represted himself and lost what might have been a very winnable case. By losing this case, case law has now been established upholding this totalitarian law that will be hard to tear down.
                            Last edited by Kestryll; 12-19-2008, 2:44 PM.
                            "Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." --FREDERIC BASTIAT--

                            Proud Life Member: National Rifle Association, the Second Amendment Foundation, and the California Rifle & Pistol Association

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                            • #15
                              GunSlut
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • May 2008
                              • 71

                              The DOJ did get back to her over two weeks ago with their answer.

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