Video doesn't lie

[tman]

Excessive force? That was appropriate force! The Cops were in pursuit of a crook who failed to obey lawful commands. He then, clear as day, pointed an object that looked like a gun at the cops, and they did what they had to do to go home to thier families at the end of the day.

Someone else said that one of the cops that shot at the crook never had the gun/cell phone pointed at him. And the point? Say the gun was real and the crook shot and killed your partner. Try telling the widow that you could have prevented the death of her husband by shooting the crook, but he never pointed the gun at you so you did nothing. Deadly force is authorized to protect not only your life, but also the lives of others.

I never understood how the first question after the fog clears is "were the cops (good guy) actions justified?" Why dont we ask why the crook (bad guy) committed the crime and put the safety of the public at risk. The cops engage in acts, on a daily basis, where they jump into harms way to protect perfect strangers. And we thank them by critisizing thier actions.

Just my $0.02.

I don't think you correctly read my post...

[Clodbuster]

Well.....I wouldn't say that...

Clod

Thank god we don't live in a country that shoots people if they run away from cops.

[Clodbuster]

Well, if you go by that mentality, only 2 kinds of people need guns...Cops and criminals. If you aren't one, you are the other.


Clod

Only criminals run from cops and therefore they (the criminals) should be shot

[Clodbuster]

Was the guy a crook? Where was the trial proving him guilty. Or do Street judges make the decision these days in our Megacities.

I may be carrying a cell phone, some dude runs by me with an assault rifle, turns the corner and disappears. Next thing I hear is "drop the gun"....
Do I get to go home to my family at the end of the day? Maybe if I wore body armor that can stop a bullet and give me a bruise or two. But then again, I can't really buy a good one in a store these days. Do the police in Lousiana wear body armour?
Why don't we ask the "crook" his story? Or is he dead....

Clod

Excessive force? That was appropriate force! The Cops were in pursuit of a crook who failed to obey lawful commands. He then, clear as day, pointed an object that looked like a gun at the cops, and they did what they had to do to go home to thier families at the end of the day.

Someone else said that one of the cops that shot at the crook never had the gun/cell phone pointed at him. And the point? Say the gun was real and the crook shot and killed your partner. Try telling the widow that you could have prevented the death of her husband by shooting the crook, but he never pointed the gun at you so you did nothing. Deadly force is authorized to protect not only your life, but also the lives of others.

I never understood how the first question after the fog clears is "were the cops (good guy) actions justified?" Why dont we ask why the crook (bad guy) committed the crime and put the safety of the public at risk. The cops engage in acts, on a daily basis, where they jump into harms way to protect perfect strangers. And we thank them by critisizing thier actions.

Just my $0.02.

[DevLcL]

they missed.... alot

[USMC_2651_E5]

TMan, You are right. I mistook the "wasn't" for "was." Sorry.

Was the guy a crook? Where was the trial proving him guilty. Or do Street judges make the decision these days in our Megacities.

I may be carrying a cell phone, some dude runs by me with an assault rifle, turns the corner and disappears. Next thing I hear is "drop the gun"....
Do I get to go home to my family at the end of the day? Maybe if I wore body armor that can stop a bullet and give me a bruise or two. But then again, I can't really buy a good one in a store these days. Do the police in Lousiana wear body armour?
Why don't we ask the "crook" his story? Or is he dead....

Clod

Clod,

I understand your view, and would even consider asking the crook his story if he would stop trying to get away. He became a crook when he failed to stop and led them in a pursuit that endangered the public. And if he is dead, its because of his own actions. Sorry for not feeling sympathetic.

[ocean]

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_cell_phone_guns.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6110582980711782027&q=cell+gun

anyone ever seen one of these?

and yes, he got what he deserved. He robbed a liquor store, then resisted the police. If he got shot because they were afraid he had a gun... well, he should have thought of that sooner...........................

[tacosauce]

Under California law it is legal to shoot a fleeing felon. The felony has to be a violent crime like murder, rape, robbery, mayhem, etc. The officer must also believe that there is a risk to public and LE safety if the suspect continues to evade custody.

No, we have to protect our criminals! What kind of animals do you think we are? How would you like to get shot after robbing a store at gunpoint, then running away from armed cops telling you to stop? Think of the free room & board, college degrees, and t.v. the criminals would miss. Also they would miss the chance for parole in a few years to get out and do it all again. Shame, shame, shame for shooting a dangerous criminal!

[USMC_2651_E5]

No, we have to protect our criminals! What kind of animals do you think we are? How would you like to get shot after robbing a store at gunpoint, then running away from armed cops telling you to stop? Think of the free room & board, college degrees, and t.v. the criminals would miss. Also they would miss the chance for parole in a few years to get out and do it all again. Shame, shame, shame for shooting a dangerous criminal!

Sarcasim at it's best. Although its' legal, it doesn't happen as often as it should. This is due to internal affairs investigations and civil lawsuits that come after the shooting.

[Electric Factory]

Looks like a murder to me too.
Especially having seen the second video.

[USMC_2651_E5]

It wasn't murder. There was nothing criminal about thier actions. Murder is a crime. CPC definition of murder: The unlawful killing of a human being.

It was a homicide though. And from what I saw in the videos, especially the second, was that it appeared justified.

[marklbucla]

I couldn't really tell, but were there a lot of misses and then a hit or two that brought him down or were those all good hits?

If they were good hits, were they shooting 9mm?




I went to a California Rifle and Pistol Association Banquet a couple of years ago with Skunkabilly and heard the Kern County sheriff speak. That said, Kern does not sound like the county to be committing crimes in.

[choochboost]

For the record, the cops had .40 pistols. For all you narrow minded .45 fans, the same thing could have happened with a .45. Obviously the placement of the shots was less than ideal, but he did drop within seconds as opposed to a minute or two.

For those who think think was murder...are you the ones I see at the range with the sideways gangster grip? C'mon, this was clearly justified and the cops showed restraint. From the way the cop ducked down, it clear he thought the bag guy had a gun.