Forming a State Militia

[FreedomIsNotFree]

While I believe the 2nd gives us the right to own personal arms of the type a typical infantrymen would need (rifles, shotguns, pistols), I do not believe we have the right to form our own armed organizations independent of the elected government.

I believe the city, county or state can form a armed militia independent of the federal government, if they chose to. but you and I can't and shouldn't. and for good reason.

Again, both Federal and State law already recognize the UNorganized militia. If groups "organize" they are no longer UNorganized. In this setting, its much better, and legal, to remain part of the UNorganized militia.

This, of course, does not preclude members of the unorganized militia from getting together to for Shoot N' Q's and such...

[pnkssbtz]

While I believe the 2nd gives us the right to own personal arms of the type a typical infantrymen would need (rifles, shotguns, pistols), I do not believe we have the right to form our own armed organizations independent of the elected government.

You might want to read up on history, particularly surrounding the 2A and it's implementation.


"No free government was ever founded, or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the State. Such are a well regulated Militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen, and husbandman; who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen." - James Madison)[/SIZE], United States Congress, Bill of Rights Ratification, 1779

"What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." - Rep. Elbridge Gerry, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789; spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, as reported in I Annals of Congress at 750

[Gator Monroe]

A Group of friends ?

[jacques]

A Group of friends ?

No, a group of friends at the range shooting. Organizations like RWVA have to jump through hoops to show they are not starting a militia.

[capo]

If anyone here is interested in joining CA's only real, organized, and official militia, send me an email at matthew.morelli@us.army.mil and I will answer any questions you may have.

[M1A Rifleman]

Contact the "office of the president elect", as this may be the civilian authority he's been talking about that is to be as well armed and funded as the military.

[jacques]

If anyone here is interested in joining CA's only real, organized, and official militia, send me an email at matthew.morelli@us.army.mil and I will answer any questions you may have.

Do you take 48 year olds?

[capo]

Do you take 48 year olds?

If you are in good health, and not a felon, I'll take you up to 60 (63 with prior service)! Email me, let's chat.

[Liberty1]

If anyone here is interested in joining CA's only real, organized, and official militia, send me an email at matthew.morelli@us.army.mil and I will answer any questions you may have.

You guys allowed to bear arms yet?

[nick]

Contact the "office of the president elect", as this may be the civilian authority he's been talking about that is to be as well armed and funded as the military.

Well armed with what? Flowers? For guns are bad.

[capo]

You guys allowed to bear arms yet?

Check your PM's

[Dr Rockso]

Capo, do you have a link that will explain what the CSMR is and how it's different from the national guard? Just curious, don't want to be recruited.

[capo]

Dr Rockso:

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/Pages/default.aspx

The easiest way to explain it would be that there are two major differences:

1) We can only be activated on Title 32 orders, meaning state orders only. We cannot go on Title 10 federal orders. Because states do not have the ability to declare, support, or fight a war, we cannot be sent overseas to fight. Our mission is to support the National Guard in state, meaning we do a lot of their training for them, anywhere from Army combatives, to kicking in doors and entering buildings. We provide them with professional services like doctors, dentists, and lawyers as well. And we also help them with their homeland security mission, which means a lot of different things.

2) For the most part, we are unpaid. We are not paid for drills, or most other support activities. As a recruiter, for example, I shell out a pretty penny driving to and from events, paying for food and parking, etc. It can add up. But, you do it for a reason which means more than money. However, soldiers put on State Active Duty orders can be paid, and are being paid at an increasing rate. Soldiers put on Emergency State Active Duty order are actually paid quite well. A couple of soldiers in my unit were activated for the fires, and made a pretty good paycheck for a week's worth of work, as well as paid lodging and meals.

Aside from those, we are a lot alike. On our ACU uniform, the only difference is the name tape that reads CALIFORNIA instead of US ARMY, and our beret flash is different. There are also subtle differences on our B's and C's. We work hand in hand with the Guard every day, in every aspect of what they do in state.

[Theseus]

I don't know, but to me... 2A...

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Lets look at this...The 2nd says we can have militias of the people, and that they can be regulated, not eliminated. I think we need to work on this section in the next court case.

[Meplat]

Ya, As long as you don't teach Guerilla warfare or sabotage, and don't get involved in any riots or insurrections or knowingly instruct any one who does, you should be alright. Plus it's a misdemeanor anyway. But it still sucks!

you're deliberately misreading that melpat, that's not what the statute says at all.