Expandable batons in California, who is exempt?

[tyrist]

As far as billyclubs and knives being felonies in certain cases where as a gun is only a misdemeanor. Knives and billyclubs are used as weapons in public far more than guns as so many of the membership here like to point at but somehow forgot. When I made contact with a suspect he did'nt try to shoot me with a concealed gun....he tried to stab with a 6 inch dagger he pulled out of his jacket pocket. When I do pat down searches of an actual suspects person I have found a gun only once. I have found hundreds of knives and makeshift billy clubs (I think a baseball bat with a railroad spike through it is not exactly used to play baseball call me crazy). If I had to rate what I most feared of while on the job...I would say being stabbed or bludgeoned to death. Most police shooting don't involve an assailant armed with a gun..it involves one armed with a knife. So it is probably reasonable these offenses would be considered much more severe by the law. While a firearm is a much more effective weapon it can be cost prohibitive and not as readily available to most crimminals. Knives and billyclub are much easier to get ahold of and to build yourself.

[Doheny]

^ and as has been pointed out - simple possession of said stick is a felony, but you can carry a loaded and concealed handgun around in public and get off on a misdemeanor for a first offense....


welcome to California

I'd rather have it that way then the gun offense a felony.

[ohsmily]

Oops, forgot about that. And it has to be closed. The law also exempts knives with a blade under 2 1/2" iirc.

You've got quite a track record of spreading FUD since you joined this forum less than 2 weeks ago....what gives?

[N6ATF]

So, if you buy an expandable baton as a security guard, how do you go about disposing of it when you stop doing that line of work? What if you don't work as a guard, but you keep your registration current (just in case you get 'downsized' and need to fall back on that line of work)?

If you have a baton permit along with your guard card, as long as you keep the guard card renewed, the baton permit will not expire, and you can own one indefinitely.

Companies usually issue them, but if you happened to have a personally owned baton, you would need to sell it to someone in a jurisdiction where they're legal, a LEO, or a training facility, while you still have a valid permit. At least that's what I was taught.

[leelaw]

If you have a baton permit along with your guard card, as long as you keep the guard card renewed, the baton permit will not expire, and you can own one indefinitely.

Companies usually issue them, but if you happened to have a personally owned baton, you would need to sell it to someone in a jurisdiction where they're legal, a LEO, or a training facility, while you still have a valid permit. At least that's what I was taught.

12002. (a) Nothing in this chapter prohibits police officers,
special police officers, peace officers, or law enforcement officers
from carrying any wooden club, baton, or any equipment authorized for
the enforcement of law or ordinance in any city or county.
(b) Nothing in this chapter prohibits a uniformed security guard,
regularly employed and compensated by a person engaged in any lawful
business, while actually employed and engaged in protecting and
preserving property or life within the scope of his or her
employment, from carrying any wooden club or baton if the uniformed
security guard has satisfactorily completed a course of instruction
certified by the Department of Consumer Affairs in the carrying and
use of the club or baton. The training institution certified by the
Department of Consumer Affairs to present this course, whether public
or private, is authorized to charge a fee covering the cost of the
training.
(c) The Department of Consumer Affairs, in cooperation with the
Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, shall develop
standards for a course in the carrying and use of the club or baton.

(d) Any uniformed security guard who successfully completes a
course of instruction under this section is entitled to receive a
permit to carry and use a club or baton within the scope of his or
her employment, issued by the Department of Consumer Affairs. The
department may authorize certified training institutions to issue
permits to carry and use a club or baton. A fee in the amount
provided by law shall be charged by the Department of Consumer
Affairs to offset the costs incurred by the department in course
certification, quality control activities associated with the course,
and issuance of the permit.

So to carry a baton as a security guard you must (1) have a guard card, (2) have a baton card, (3) be on uniform duty as an (4) employed security guard.

If you've got a guard card and baton card, you may carry a baton while on uniformed duty while employed as a security guard. If you're not employed, you're in a bit of a grey area.

[Librarian]

Most police shooting don't involve an assailant armed with a gun..it involves one armed with a knife.

Not to diminish the dangers of being stabbed or clubbed, but I don't know whether to hope the above is right, or hope it's wrong.

I'm sure 'shooting' is a typo; it is a bit shorter than 'injuries inflicted by suspects/perpetrators' or some such. Continue to be careful, please!

[DedEye]

Not to diminish the dangers of being stabbed or clubbed, but I don't know whether to hope the above is right, or hope it's wrong.

I'm sure 'shooting' is a typo; it is a bit shorter than 'injuries inflicted by suspects/perpetrators' or some such. Continue to be careful, please!

I think you misunderstood tryist's comment. From my reading of his post, he meant that "most officer involved shootings (where an officer shoots a suspect) is a result of the suspect possessing/attacking with a knife or a club, not a gun."

Do I win a cookie?

[motorhead]

tell the officer you're going sealing.

[odysseus]

This topic always gets confusing, and I am not sure of what case law is on it. I keep reading about "batons" and "carry". However it is not clear here in this thread, or others on it before, that someone could not own a baton in their home.

Could you own a dagger legally at home, like a collectible so many people have? I am pretty sure, yes. I believe it is the issue of actually trying to go out and carry it outside your residence where the illegality comes up. I also see that "posession" gets often intertwined with "carry out in public" as an equal in definition. Without a permit or being LE, you can't carry it. Where is it clear that people mere owning dirks, daggers, batons at home is illegal? I can only image how many millions in California have something like that.

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[DedEye]

This topic always gets confusing, and I am not sure of what case law is on it. I keep reading about "batons" and "carry". However it is not clear here in this thread, or others on it before, that someone could not own a baton in their home.

Could you own a dagger legally at home, like a collectible so many people have? I am pretty sure, yes. I believe it is the issue of actually trying to go out and carry it outside your residence where the illegality comes up. I also see that "posession" gets often intertwined with "carry out in public" as an equal in definition. Without a permit or being LE, you can't carry it. Where is it clear that people mere owning dirks, daggers, batons at home is illegal? I can only image how many millions in California have something like that.

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Carrying a dagger is legal; 12020(a)(4) prohibits the CONCEALED carrying of a dirk or dagger.

[SteveH]

It is not illegal to possess a dirk or dagger. It is only illegal to carry it concealed on the person.

It is illegal to possess a "billy." even in your home.

[Librarian]

I think you misunderstood tryist's comment. From my reading of his post, he meant that "most officer involved shootings (where an officer shoots a suspect) is a result of the suspect possessing/attacking with a knife or a club, not a gun."

Do I win a cookie?

Sure - but I bet your browser will reject it. Apologies to tyrist if I was confused.

[Riodog]

Does this mean that as a kindergarten teacher that I can't have one for my protection????

Some of these lil darling are brutal.
Rio

[N6ATF]

So to carry a baton as a security guard you must (1) have a guard card, (2) have a baton card, (3) be on uniform duty as an (4) employed security guard.

If you've got a guard card and baton card, you may carry a baton while on uniformed duty while employed as a security guard. If you're not employed, you're in a bit of a grey area.

This topic always gets confusing, and I am not sure of what case law is on it. I keep reading about "batons" and "carry". However it is not clear here in this thread, or others on it before, that someone could not own a baton in their home.

Could you own a dagger legally at home, like a collectible so many people have? I am pretty sure, yes. I believe it is the issue of actually trying to go out and carry it outside your residence where the illegality comes up. I also see that "posession" gets often intertwined with "carry out in public" as an equal in definition. Without a permit or being LE, you can't carry it. Where is it clear that people mere owning dirks, daggers, batons at home is illegal? I can only image how many millions in California have something like that.

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(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable
firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a
firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which
contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or
carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst
trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any
short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any
leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol,
any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge
knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice
handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon
of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy,
sandclub, sap, or sandbag.

Billy=baton.

[JDay]

You've got quite a track record of spreading FUD since you joined this forum less than 2 weeks ago....what gives?

Originally Posted by JDay
Oops, forgot about that. And it has to be closed. The law also exempts knives with a blade under 2 1/2" iirc.

See the part where I typed "iirc"? And anyone who takes something they read on the internet as fact without checking for themselves is a fool. The part of the law that I was thinking of deals with fixed blade knives on school grounds.

626.10. (a) Any person, ... , who brings or possesses any dirk, dagger, ice pick, knife having a blade longer than 2 1/2 inches, folding knife with a blade that locks into place, a razor with an unguarded blade, ... , upon the grounds of, or within, any public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.