Peņa v. Cid (Handgun Roster) **CERT DENIED 6-15-2020**

[Ubermcoupe]

Oral arguments were just presented and I'm wondering when the ruling comes back

Whenever the 3 justices figure out a ruling and get their clerks to draft an opinion. Figure about a year from now.

Best to forget about the case and then be reminded when the thread gets bumped with a decision.

[IVC]

Oral arguments were just presented and I'm wondering when the ruling comes back and please no long winded answer is a simple question with a simple answer.

Peruta was a similar "gun case" so it should be a comparable timeline. From the Circuit Court's webpage:

Oral Arguments: 12/06/2012
Decision: 02/13/2014

So, realistically, we are looking at about a year. Sucks, but such is life...

[CaliforniaLiberal]

Oral arguments were just presented and I'm wondering when the ruling comes back and please no long winded answer is a simple question with a simple answer.

Please be willing to read at least a couple pages back in the thread to look for information you're looking for. It becomes tedious, boring to answer the same questions several times. Be willing to look for 15 or 20 minutes rather than asking for a personal spoon feed.

For all of you "How long" folks.

Experience with past 2nd Amendment cases at the 9th Circuit would suggest at least 3 to 4 months and maybe a year to a year and a half. Or longer.

Sometime in 2018 is a reasonable guess.

"This is why we need a "Two Weeks" Smilie

[Librarian]

Oral arguments were just presented and I'm wondering when the ruling comes back and please no long winded answer is a simple question with a simple answer.

As several people have already noted, it is NOT a simple answer.

The court has no deadlines.

They'll issue an opinion whenever they get around to it.

[Soginator]

Best to forget about the case and then be reminded when the thread gets bumped with a decision.

Personally I love to remind people of the roster case, particularly anti gun people. It traps them into admitting they aren't about "reasonable, common sense" gun laws, they're just trying to ban stuff.

And pro gun people, for whatever reason, seem to be far more motivated to donate to cgf/nra/crpa/fpc over the roster issue than anything else.

[cire raeb]

Will the ruling be "all or nothing" or could the judges reject part of the roster' requirements? Sounded like they are opened to keeping the hideous LCI feature.

[CandG]

Will the ruling be "all or nothing" or could the judges reject part of the roster' requirements? Sounded like they are opened to keeping the hideous LCI feature.

I'm ok with an LCI, as long as it isn't required to be a huge hideous bright red flag that sticks up. My glocks have an LCI, and my Beretta has an LCI - both are indicated by whether or not the extractor is sticking out. The beretta extractor is even pained red on the sides, for just such a reason.

If they concede that those sorts of LCI's are fine, then I'm not totally against it. I hate having things mandated, but if that's all we have to have then I can live with it.

MY new Sig has a "california" LCI, and it's ridiculous. Bright red, takes up half the length of the slide, with giant text laser-etched into the slide that says "loaded when up" TWICE, plus a big arrow pointing at it for some reason. That's overkill and unnecessary, I think we can all agree.

[Ubermcoupe]

I'm ok with an LCI, as long as it isn't required to be a huge hideous bright red flag that sticks up. My glocks have an LCI, and my Beretta has an LCI - both are indicated by whether or not the extractor is sticking out. The beretta extractor is even pained red on the sides, for just such a reason.

If they concede that those sorts of LCI's are fine, then I'm not totally against it. I hate having things mandated, but if that's all we have to have then I can live with it....

This can prove difficult for some manufacturers if they utilize an LCI in their design that does not meet the following criteria (Glock's LCI extractor does not meet CCR requirements...)

CCR 4060 outlines the requirements for an LCI.

(d)(1) A functioning chamber load indicator must meet all of the following conditions:
(A) Explanatory text and/or graphics either incorporated within the chamber load indicator or adjacent to the chamber load indicator is/are permanently displayed by engraving, stamping, etching, molding, casting, or other means of permanent marking.
(B) Each letter of explanatory text must have a minimum height of 1/16 inch.
(C) The explanatory text and/or graphics shall be of a distinct visual contrast to that of the firearm.
(D) The “loaded” indication, that portion of the chamber load indicator that visually indicates there is a round in the chamber, shall be of a distinct color contrast to the firearm.
(E) Only when there is a round in the chamber, the “loaded” indication is visible on the firearm from a distance of at least twenty-four inches. When there is no round in the chamber, the “loaded” indication must not be visible.
(F) The text and/or graphics and the “loaded” indication together inform a reasonably foreseeable adult user of the pistol, that a round is in the chamber, without requiring the user to refer to a user's manual or any other resource other than the pistol itself.

[LowThudd]

I'm ok with an LCI, as long as it isn't required to be a huge hideous bright red flag that sticks up. My glocks have an LCI, and my Beretta has an LCI - both are indicated by whether or not the extractor is sticking out. The beretta extractor is even pained red on the sides, for just such a reason.

If they concede that those sorts of LCI's are fine, then I'm not totally against it. I hate having things mandated, but if that's all we have to have then I can live with it.

MY new Sig has a "california" LCI, and it's ridiculous. Bright red, takes up half the length of the slide, with giant text laser-etched into the slide that says "loaded when up" TWICE, plus a big arrow pointing at it for some reason. That's overkill and unnecessary, I think we can all agree.

This? Holy Crud, that is hideous. What makes people think that anyone not capable of handling a gun safely, will suddenly handle it safely just because of that though?

[cire raeb]

This? Holy Crud, that is hideous. What makes people think that anyone not capable of handling a gun safely, will suddenly handle it safely just because of that though?

Indeed that is hideous. I am fine with something subtle like the LCI on the M9 Beretta and Glock's. I would then present the argument that the LCI requirement impede firearm development as we all know that in 3-5 years the majority of the firearms sold are going to have MOS plates for red dot sight. The LCI safety negates the very purpose of handguns, a self defense tool. Furthermore, if the attacking assailant can see the LCI, it may endanger the victim as Kalifornia's laws discourage keeping a firearm loaded.


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[CandG]

This? Holy Crud, that is hideous. What makes people think that anyone not capable of handling a gun safely, will suddenly handle it safely just because of that though?

Yep, those LCI's need to go.

So it would be nice if, at the very least, LCI's such as Glocks were approved.

[EM2]

Unless I'm missing something, there's absolutely no evidence that the off-roster handguns that are in common use in the rest of the states, are in fact less safe than those approved by the CA DOJ. I think that's the part that Alan Gura missed when they were talking about cars and airbags. I don't think anyone would argue that airbags and seat belts do save lives, but I think it's pretty obvious that an off-roster 1911 is by no means less safe or more dangerous than pretty much the same 1911 that is still on the roster.

Or the same exact one that fell off the roster recently only because the extortion, er, fee was not renewed.
Or somehow these off roster firearms are safe enough for law enforcement and not for us.

[Librarian]

Yep, those LCI's need to go.

So it would be nice if, at the very least, LCI's such as Glocks were approved.

All the LCIs need to go - as has been often advised, an LCI must be replaced by training: 'don't point guns at people'. (or at most other stuff)

[Ubermcoupe]

All the LCIs need to go - as has been often advised, an LCI must be replaced by training: 'don't point guns at people'. (or at most other stuff)

[CandG]

All the LCIs need to go - as has been often advised, an LCI must be replaced by training: 'don't point guns at people'. (or at most other stuff)

I like my Glocks having one, personally. NOT for checking to see if the chamber is empty (that's what eyes and fingers are for), but rather for checking to make sure the chamber is loaded, before I put it in my holster. My chamber is nearly always loaded, but it's nice to be able to see at a glance that I haven't unloaded it at some point and forgotten.

In that regard, it's more of a "chamber is empty" warning