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  • ohsmily
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2005
    • 8930

    Richards v. Newsom-challenge to SB1384-dealer A/V recording

    Filed December 19, 2023 in United States District Court, Central District of California. Case number 8:23-cv-02413.

    Motion for preliminary injunction filed 12/20/2023.

    Hearing on preliminary injunction 1/16/2023

    MOTION DENIED. Ruling here https://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/sites/...Injunction.pdf


    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE December 20, 2023 Washington, D.C. — Last night, Gun Owners of America (GOA) and the Gun Owners Foundation (GOF) joined Gun Owners of California (GOC) and several other plaintiffs** in filing a lawsuit challenging California’s SB 1384, which imposes Orwellian-level surveillance requirements on the State’s gun dealers.  Slated to take effect on January 1, 2024, the new requirements would: force every … Read more


    From the press release:

    Gun Owners of America (GOA) and the Gun Owners Foundation (GOF) joined Gun Owners of California (GOC) and several other plaintiffs** in filing a lawsuit challenging California?s SB 1384, which imposes Orwellian-level surveillance requirements on the State?s gun dealers. Slated to take effect on January 1, 2024, the new requirements would:

    force every gun dealer in the state to install sophisticated surveillance equipment that records both video and audio of every gun sale that occurs in California;
    force dealers to bear the cost to purchase and install this prohibitively expensive system, which can run into the tens of thousands of dollars (one big box store reportedly has spent over $250,000 to comply, at only one location);
    force dealers to allow state officials access to the recordings, upon demand;
    require dealers to post signage informing customers that their activities are being recorded; and
    does not exempt California?s home-based dealers, who will be forced to install state surveillance equipment within their own homes.
    GOA and GOF?s lawsuit brings a variety of challenges to what is essentially California?s version of the ?telescreen? from Orwell?s novel ?1984,? including:

    several First Amendment challenges based on (i ) freedom of speech, (ii) freedom of association, (iii) the right to engage in anonymous speech, (iv) a compelled speech claim, and (v) a claim that SB 1384 represents viewpoint discrimination against gun owners;
    a Second Amendment challenge, because there is no historical evidence that our Founders ever would have permitted the government to monitor the real-time exercise of the right to keep and bear arms;
    a Fourth Amendment challenge, because SB 1384 represents a per se unconstitutional ?general warrant? ? it invades private property rights ? and it violates gun stores?, customers?, and homeowners? reasonable expectations of privacy; and
    a Fifth Amendment takings claim, because SB 1384 takes and appropriates, for government use, physical space within gun stores and private homes;
    a Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection claim, because SB 1384 singles out and discriminates against gun stores, treating them differently than all other businesses in California; and
    a claim under the California state constitution?s right to privacy.
    More information will be added.
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    Last edited by ohsmily; 01-25-2024, 10:43 PM.
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  • #2
    AlmostHeaven
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2023
    • 3808

    The determination with which the California government works to nullify the Second Amendment and the breadth of infringements gun rights organizations have to fight, are breathtaking.

    I salute every Second Amendment advocacy group because each battle won in the worst states improves the durability of the right to keep and bear arms in moderate states.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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    • #3
      Sgt Raven
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2005
      • 3775

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      DILLIGAF
      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice"
      "Once is Happenstance, Twice is Coincidence, Thrice is Enemy Action"
      "The flak is always heaviest, when you're over the target"

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      • #4
        Sgt Raven
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2005
        • 3775

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        DILLIGAF
        "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice"
        "Once is Happenstance, Twice is Coincidence, Thrice is Enemy Action"
        "The flak is always heaviest, when you're over the target"

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        • #5
          splithoof
          Veteran Member
          • May 2015
          • 4957

          Originally posted by ohsmily
          Filed December 19, 2023 in United States District Court, Central District of California. Case number 8:23-cv-02413.
          Thank you for all your diligent hard work in this
          Last edited by splithoof; 12-23-2023, 4:59 PM.

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          • #6
            not-fishing
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 2270

            Well I've been thinking on visiting an FFL for a little handgun and being 70 with medical conditions I should wear a mask so I won't get Covid there as well as scarf and hat because it's cold out.
            Spreading the WORD according to COLT. and Smith, Wesson, Ruger, HK, Sig, High Standard, Browning

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            • #7
              splithoof
              Veteran Member
              • May 2015
              • 4957

              From the above, as posted by member Oshmily:


              Reading that, after watching the video by William Kirk, I totally believe that this law brings the famous George Orwell novel 1984 to actuality. That our state government and some of the citizens actually support this is painful to acknowledge. If allowed to stand, this is a major, major step towards armed hostile invasion into private homes and businesses of the citizenry that the founding fathers worked so hard to prevent, and whom in many cases paid the ultimate price for. It is shocking, disturbing, and scary.
              The surveillance state is getting a deeper hold every day; do not let them continue

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              • #8
                AlmostHeaven
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2023
                • 3808

                Globalist totalitarians certainly have dark plans to subjugate the last free nation on the planet and render us all serfs.
                A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                • #9
                  BlessedHunter
                  Junior Member
                  • Aug 2015
                  • 78



                  Posting this here as a reference for later.
                  "Defendants Gavin Newsom, in his official capacity as Governor of the State of California, Robert Bonta, in his official capacity as Attorney General of the State of California, must show cause before the Plaintiffs' application in Courtroom 10C, on January 16, 2024 at 9:00 am, of the Central District of California, why an order should not be issued pursuant to Rule 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure enjoining the Defendants during the pendency of this action from implementation and enforcement of SB 1384 (Ca Penal Code Section 26806)"

                  Looks like it will be in front of a judge on the 16th.

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                  • #10
                    DolphinFan
                    Veteran Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 2552

                    They should amend to add a violation of the California Constitution Article 1 Section 1, the inalienable right to privacy.
                    10/15/2022 - Called to get on the list
                    2/18/2023 - Interview set
                    4/27/2023 - Class
                    4/30/2023 - Live Scan
                    5/9/2023 - Interview
                    6/26/2023 - Approval Letter
                    8/1/2023 - Issued

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                    • #11
                      AlmostHeaven
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2023
                      • 3808

                      Originally posted by BlessedHunter
                      https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...ards-v-newsom/

                      Posting this here as a reference for later.
                      "Defendants Gavin Newsom, in his official capacity as Governor of the State of California, Robert Bonta, in his official capacity as Attorney General of the State of California, must show cause before the Plaintiffs' application in Courtroom 10C, on January 16, 2024 at 9:00 am, of the Central District of California, why an order should not be issued pursuant to Rule 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure enjoining the Defendants during the pendency of this action from implementation and enforcement of SB 1384 (Ca Penal Code Section 26806)"

                      Looks like it will be in front of a judge on the 16th.
                      Do we know which judge will preside over this case?
                      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                      The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                      • #12
                        abinsinia
                        Veteran Member
                        • Feb 2015
                        • 4067

                        Originally posted by AlmostHeaven
                        Do we know which judge will preside over this case?

                        James V. Selna. Bush judge.

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                        • #13
                          AlmostHeaven
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2023
                          • 3808

                          Originally posted by abinsinia
                          James V. Selna. Bush judge.
                          Thank you. I assume gun rights organizations have drawn a lucky pick.
                          A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                          The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                          • #14
                            rrr70
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 1832

                            If we win, can the gun stores demand the refund from newscum?
                            "The police cannot protect the citizen at this stage of our development, and they cannot even protect themselves in many cases. It is up to the private citizen to protect himself and his family, and this is not only acceptable, but mandatory" Jeff Cooper

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                            • #15
                              AlmostHeaven
                              Veteran Member
                              • Apr 2023
                              • 3808

                              Originally posted by rrr70
                              If we win, can the gun stores demand the refund from newscum?
                              Unfortunately, states have a form of sovereign immunity that almost certainly precludes winning these types of damages.
                              A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                              The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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