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  • SpudmanWP
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Jul 2017
    • 1156

    CRPA files Fed Suit against LASD, LVPD, Psych eval from SB2, Bonta, etc re:Permitting

    From Twitter:

    @CRPAnews, @GunOwners, @2AFDN, @GunOwnersCA, @GunFoundation are settling all of their scores when it comes to CCW permit issuance in California. We're taking on the ridiculous wait times of the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, the high fees of the La Verne Police Department, and the subjective suitability determinations both of them use, including the psychological exam in La Verne.

    Obviously, more than just LASD and LVPD are doing these sorts of things, but with a victory in this case, we hope to set precedent applicable to other issuing authorities with the same unacceptable policies and practices.

    But there's one other big issue too.

    No other constitutional right ends at state borders. Yet if you are not a California resident, you have effectively no way to legally carry here, because California does not honor the permits of any other states. Even if you are willing to go through the hassle of getting a California CCW permit, nonresidents are not eligible for one. One of our Plaintiffs is a Florida resident who was denied a permit for that reason. Other plaintiffs are California residents who don't want to deal with high fees or long wait times in their jurisdiction, but their Utah and Arizona permits are invalid here.

    Thus, we are also suing the Attorney General to establish reciprocity. California must honor permits issued by other states, or at absolute minimum, the State must create a timely and affordable avenue for nonresidents to get California CCW permits.

    A motion for preliminary injunction will follow in the coming weeks. You can read the complaint here:
    https://michellawyers.com/wp-content.../Complaint.pdf
    Here is the Cortlistener link: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...ngeles-county/

    Top issues:
    1. Psychological exams as part of the licensing process are unconstitutional
    2. Long wait times (ie 1+ years) are unconstitutional
    3. High fees (ie $1k+) are unconstitutional
    4. CA must either allow out-of-state residents to get a CA CCW or it must honor other State's CCW licenses.
    Last edited by SpudmanWP; 12-05-2023, 8:19 AM. Reason: update
  • #2
    wannabefree
    Member
    • Nov 2017
    • 193

    I like it , Now we need a all hands on deck suit to eliminate entirely the Hand gun Roster and Ammo restrictions. Not just parts of them but a full repeal.

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    • #3
      SpudmanWP
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Jul 2017
      • 1156

      Here is their video announcement:

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      • #4
        AlmostHeaven
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2023
        • 3808

        Hallelujah! God bless Second Amendment advocacy groups and the lawyers who dedicate their time and effort to defending our constitutional rights, at the opportunity cost of more lucrative ventures.
        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

        The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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        • #5
          SpudmanWP
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Jul 2017
          • 1156

          Originally posted by wannabefree
          I like it , Now we need a all hands on deck suit to eliminate entirely the Hand gun Roster and Ammo restrictions. Not just parts of them but a full repeal.
          IIRC that is Boland v Bonta filed in Aug of 2022.



          IIRC Renna v Bonta is only the CLI, MDM, and microstamping while Boland is the whole enchilada.... or vice versa

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          • #6
            ngnrnlo
            Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 266

            The only problem is prayer number 1, that over one year wait be declared unconstitutional. If the judge grants that, LASD will say one year wait is OK.

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            • #7
              splithoof
              Veteran Member
              • May 2015
              • 4778

              I have read the entire legal filing, and am hopeful, that within this century it resolves the continual raping of the citizenry. That Kalifornia does not recognize other states permits is beyond horrible, nearly as bad as a permit of any kind being required at all for the exercise of a constitutional right.

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              • #8
                rplaw
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2014
                • 1808

                Great. Too little, too late but the lawyers will pump you full of "sunshine" anyway.

                Where were these guys in September? Or October? Or even last month? No, they wait until literally the last seconds to file a suit that has no hope of preventing SB2 from going into effect.

                Klowns.
                Some random thoughts:

                Somebody's gotta be the mole so it might as well be me. Seems to be working so far.

                Evil doesn't only come in black.

                Life is like a discount bakery. Usually everything is just what you ordered. But, occasionally you come face to face with an unexpected fruitcake. Surprise!

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                • #9
                  SpudmanWP
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Jul 2017
                  • 1156

                  Originally posted by ngnrnlo
                  The only problem is prayer number 1, that over one year wait be declared unconstitutional. If the judge grants that, LASD will say one year wait is OK.
                  That depends on what the judge rules. He can always order the State to issue within the 90 (soon to be 120) day limit set in the law. If they continue to violate then the judge can do several things from letting people get a CCW from other jurisdictions to ordering the State to honor the application as if it's a full license up until the CCW process is complete and an actual CCW issued.

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                  • #10
                    SpudmanWP
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jul 2017
                    • 1156

                    Originally posted by rplaw
                    Great. Too little, too late but the lawyers will pump you full of "sunshine" anyway.

                    Where were these guys in September? Or October? Or even last month? No, they wait until literally the last seconds to file a suit that has no hope of preventing SB2 from going into effect.

                    Klowns.
                    Given that this only has a small connection to SB2, I don't hold that against them. This case has 4 issues that it's dealing with so it took a while to prepare.

                    The funny thing about the reciprocity, if they get that in the PI, someone can get a Utah/Arizona Out-of-State CCW long before LASD would issue one.

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                    • #11
                      splithoof
                      Veteran Member
                      • May 2015
                      • 4778

                      Originally posted by rplaw
                      Great. Too little, too late but the lawyers will pump you full of "sunshine" anyway.

                      Where were these guys in September? Or October? Or even last month? No, they wait until literally the last seconds to file a suit that has no hope of preventing SB2 from going into effect.

                      Klowns.
                      Your contributions to the effort?

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                      • #12
                        9Cal_OC
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Apr 2019
                        • 6634

                        Originally posted by splithoof
                        Your contributions to the effort?
                        Zilch.

                        Could have filed the lawsuit themselves yet complain when someone else does
                        Freedom isn't free...

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                        • #13
                          splithoof
                          Veteran Member
                          • May 2015
                          • 4778

                          Originally posted by 9Cal_OC
                          Zilch.

                          Could have filed the lawsuit themselves yet complain when someone else does
                          I hear ya, but let us wait for him to actually and honestly answer my question. I have been a long time contributor to CRPA, and hope others are as well.
                          If he does not answer, then we all know you are correct.

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                          • #14
                            ProfChaos
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2021
                            • 898

                            Could it be possible that they had to have a plaintiff who has waited in excess of 18 months to file this. In direct contract to Bruen saying that they cannot have excessive wait times or fees.
                            "The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia." -George Orwell 1984

                            1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a "How To" guide.

                            Time magazine bragging about how they stole the election: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

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                            • #15
                              rplaw
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2014
                              • 1808

                              Originally posted by splithoof
                              Your contributions to the effort?
                              I contribute every day, every time, I stand up and represent someone who was wronged instead of sniping from the cheap seats like some people who only write checks to support the lawyers who arrive after everything is over and done with.

                              I may not get it right every time, but at least I show up.
                              Some random thoughts:

                              Somebody's gotta be the mole so it might as well be me. Seems to be working so far.

                              Evil doesn't only come in black.

                              Life is like a discount bakery. Usually everything is just what you ordered. But, occasionally you come face to face with an unexpected fruitcake. Surprise!

                              My Utubery

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