New Guns on Roster... 3 for 1??? Or was this Stayed?

[okkleiner]

Since June of this year 9 new handguns have been added to the roster and the last removed gun was on Feb 2nd. Just wondering if 27 are about to be removed and if so which ones?

Or was this "STAYED" by judge Sabraw in Renna V Bonta?

Recently added:

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

De-Certified:

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/de-certified-handguns

Handgun Roster List:

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search

[Quiet]

Renna v Becerra/Bonta = stay was only on microstamping.
^No stay on chamber load indicator, magazine disconnect mechanism, and 1 for 3 removals.


AFAIK...
CA DOJ BOF made the decision to not enact the 1 for 3 removals due to the legislative intent for the 1 for 3 removals being tied to the microstamping requirement, which was stayed by the Courts.


Because of what was or was not stayed by the Courts...

Currently, a manufacturer can submit a new semi-auto pistol to be added to the Roster as long as:
1. The semi-auto centerfire pistol that does not have a fixed magazine needs a positive manual safety that meets Federal requirements for importation, needs a CLI, needs a MDM, and needs to pass CA safety testing.
2. The semi-auto centerfire pistol that has a fixed magazine needs a positive manual safety that meets Federal requirements for importation, needs a CLI, and needs to pass CA safety testing.
3. The semi-auto rimfire pistol that does not have a fixed magazine needs a positive manual safety that meets Federal requirements for importation, needs a MDM, and needs to pass CA safety testing.
4. The semi-auto rimfire pistol that has a fixed magazine needs a positive manual safety that meets Federal requirements for importation and needs to pass CA safety testing.

Also note that CA mandates a CLI, not a LCI.
^There are legal and technical differences between the two indicators.

[CGZ]

Some of the early speculation was that because the first two added after the microstamping injunction were rimfire, they didn't remove any. Though now that H&K has added a 9mm (same model in different colors) it seems they are not enforcing that provision ATM. IIRC revolvers had different requirements they needed to follow, so they did not trigger the 1 for 3 in previous years.

Boland and Renna are currently scheduled for a hearing by the 9CA in August. Other manufactures with handguns that already have LCI and MDM, such as S&W's M&P series, might just be waiting for the final results. It could be that the semi autos added only come with LCI and MDM (as opposed the the M&P series that have models without these "features")

[Quiet]

Some of the early speculation was that because the first two added after the microstamping injunction were rimfire, they didn't remove any. Though now that H&K has added a 9mm (same model in different colors) it seems they are not enforcing that provision ATM. IIRC revolvers had different requirements they needed to follow, so they did not trigger the 1 for 3 in previous years.

Boland and Renna are currently scheduled for a hearing by the 9CA in August. Other manufactures with handguns that already have LCI and MDM, such as S&W's M&P series, might just be waiting for the final results. It could be that the semi autos added only come with LCI and MDM (as opposed the the M&P series that have models without these "features")

Currently, there are only three new semi-auto rimfire pistols that were added on-Roster due to what was stayed by the Courts.
All three are semi-auto rimfire pistols that do not have a fixed magazine, so they just needed a MDM to be eligible for testing to be added on-Roster.

All of the H&K P-2000 pistols that were recently added were done via exemption [PC 32030] (color variation of an existing on-Roster handgun) and as enacted, the 1 for 3 removals does not trigger when pistols are added on-Roster via this exemption [PC 31910(b)(7) and 32015].


Again... CA mandates a CLI for semi-auto centerfire pistols and does not require a LCI.
^There are legal and technical differences between a CLI and a LCI.

[CGZ]

Currently, there are only three new semi-auto pistols that were added on-Roster. All three were semi-auto rimfire pistols that do not have a fixed magazine, so they just needed a MDM to be eligible for testing to be added on-Roster.

All of the H&K P-2000 pistols that were recently added were done via exemption [PC 32030] (color variation of an existing on-Roster handgun) and as enacted, the 1 for 3 removals do not trigger when pistols are added on-Roster via this exemption [PC 31910(b)(7) and 32015].


Again... CA mandates a CLI, not a LCI.
^There are legal and technical differences between the two indicators.

You are right. Though, I would still say most manufactures are waiting for the final result of Boland/Renna before submitting (semi auto centerfire) handguns even if they have models that fulfill the current CLI and MDM requirement.

[abinsinia]

Seems like some people know exactly why it's not happening, but no one is giving details.

[cline]

Seems like some people know exactly why it's not happening, but no one is giving details.

s&w is known for not cutting corners, i suspect rather than just repurpose existing shield ca slides for the shield plus, they are cutting the new shield plus slides with the cli channel and making shield plus compatible magazine disconnect parts.

it make sense because the shield ca slides are probably already nitrided and cerakoted, they'll have to sell all existing shield ca first to maximize their profit.

[1911-CV]

DOJ's thinking

Take a look here: Relevant Post

[abinsinia]

Take a look here: Relevant Post

This doesn't explain why tho. I think that's important because who knows if the CADOJ maybe changes their mind or they plan to pull off 3 pistols at some later date etc..

[cline]

This doesn't explain why tho. I think that's important because who knows if the CADOJ maybe changes their mind or they plan to pull off 3 pistols at some later date etc..

yeah we need to flood the roster asap lol

[AlmostHeaven]

yeah we need to flood the roster asap lol

No. I would rather not have old Glock, Heckler & Koch, Sig Sauer, and other pre-CLI and pre-MDM handgun models removed from the roster to accommodate random trash.

[nedro]

Will this mark the end of the 3rd generation Glock? (Rhetorical)
Just something to think about.

[cline]

No. I would rather not have old Glock, Heckler & Koch, Sig Sauer, and other pre-CLI and pre-MDM handgun models removed from the roster to accommodate random trash.

the whole point of the roster is to restrict us to trash, by flooding it with newer guns before the removal requirement comes back we might be able to keep the old trash too

[DrewN]

I would imagine they would just not allow certain sku's to be renewed when they expire rather than removing models during the year.

[CGZ]

Sig Just added a P320 to the roster

Manufacturer:
Sig Sauer
Model:
320CA-9-M18-MS-CA*
Handgun Type:
Pistol
Caliber:
9mm
Barrel Length:
3.9"
Materials:
Alloy; Polymer
Expired Date:
01/01/2024

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/handgun/320ca-9-m18-ms-ca