Miller v. Bonta 9th Ckt "assault weapons": Held for Duncan result 1-26-24

[CaliJatt]

Does this case also mean we as Californians be able to get AR and AK pistols in the state as well?

[ojisan]

If the decision gets rid of the AW definitions, then one pistol problem of "a magazine located outside of the pistol grip" should go away.

You might still have to deal with the Roster which requires drop tests and probably the microstamping requirement for new made pistols.

Could be that a something like a 10 year old used AK pistol might fly though. (???)

Have to wait and see what the decision says.

[Mandingo27]

If the decision gets rid of the AW definitions, then one pistol problem of "a magazine located outside of the pistol grip" should go away.

You might still have to deal with the Roster which requires drop tests and probably the microstamping requirement for new made pistols.

Could be that a something like a 10 year old used AK pistol might fly though. (???)

Have to wait and see what the decision says.

Has nothing to do with the roster. You have an ar/ak pistol? Enjoy regular mag releases and standard cap mags. Handgun with a threaded barrel? That will be okay as well. Decision will have to do with everything California considers an "assault weapon"

[ar15barrels]

Does this case also mean we as Californians be able to get AR and AK pistols in the state as well?

No.
The roster will still exist.
The unsafe handgun law will also still exist.

[aBrowningfan]

Has nothing to do with the roster. You have an ar/ak pistol? Enjoy regular mag releases and standard cap mags. Handgun with a threaded barrel? That will be okay as well. Decision will have to do with everything California considers an "assault weapon"

How do you get past the roster? The AR/AK pistol got registered as an AW (2000) or BBAW (2017). But if the AR/AW features are ruled unconstitutional, there is still the roster. How do you get past the roster?

[aBrowningfan]

Does this case also mean we as Californians be able to get AR and AK pistols in the state as well?

I really wish that were so. But unless you can get past the roster, I don't see being able to purchase an assault pistol. The roster isn't under challenge, so how does one get past the roster?

[ugimports]

I really wish that were so. But unless you can get past the roster, I don't see being able to purchase an assault pistol. The roster isn't under challenge, so how does one get past the roster?

The CA7 is on the roster.

[aBrowningfan]

The CA7 is on the roster.

As I said, "...unless it is on the roster...". What happens if you don't want a CA7 (I am partial to the LWRC SMG-45 ( https://www.lwrci.com/SMG-45-Pistol-SB-Brace_p_268.html ))?

Edit: Add a front handgrip to the SMG-45, and you have IMO, an ideal personal protection device (other than an MP7A1).

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

How do you get past the roster? The AR/AK pistol got registered as an AW (2000) or BBAW (2017). But if the AR/AW features are ruled unconstitutional, there is still the roster. How do you get past the roster?

Only ways I can see are:


1. SSE2.0 -then convert to semi with all the features. Some dealers are currently doing SSE2.0 but DOJ of course has said if you covert to semi you “MAY” be creating an unsafe handgun.

Pertinent quote from Ca DOJ:

“Alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on illegal acts involving unsafe handguns.”


or

2. Manufacturer builds the pistol as a manually operated repeater, submits it for testing and gets it on the roster. As Franklin did with the CA7.
End user converts it to semi with all the evil features.

Note that there is no warning on the Ca DOJ site about modifying on roster Pistol’s as there is for SSE.

But some people think you’re “remanufacturing”the Pistol when you switch it over to semi and therefore you are “manufacturing “an unsafe pistol and DOJ would prosecute or perhaps just confiscate.
I am not one of those people.

[ugimports]

As I said, "...unless it is on the roster...". What happens if you don't want a CA7 (I am partial to the LWRC SMG-45 ( https://www.lwrci.com/SMG-45-Pistol-SB-Brace_p_268.html ))?

Edit: Add a front handgrip to the SMG-45, and you have IMO, an ideal personal protection device (other than an MP7A1).

Ask LWRC to put a version on the roster similar to what Frankling Armory did.. there's precedent for it.

Other options are to get it through a PPT or infrafamily transfer.

Also, I don't see where in the post I quoted you said "...unless it is on the roster..".

I was just trying to illustrate that there is an Assaul Style Pistol on the roster. The poster you quoted didn't say exactly what they wanted so how am I to know they didn't want a generic AR pistol.

[taperxz]

I really wish that were so. But unless you can get past the roster, I don't see being able to purchase an assault pistol. The roster isn't under challenge, so how does one get past the roster?

The roster is being challenged and is in the hands of the SCOTUS as I type

[aBrowningfan]

Ask LWRC to put a version on the roster similar to what Frankling Armory did.. there's precedent for it.

Other options are to get it through a PPT or infrafamily transfer.

Also, I don't see where in the post I quoted you said "...unless it is on the roster..".

I was just trying to illustrate that there is an Assaul Style Pistol on the roster. The poster you quoted didn't say exactly what they wanted so how am I to know they didn't want a generic AR pistol.

How would a PPT occur in the example of the SMG-45? The only way that a PPT could occur (other than for exempt persons) for the SMG-45 is for one to be brought into CA by a non-resident moving to CA. Which, until the CA AWB law is ruled to be unconstitutional (and upheld on appeal), a non-resident can not bring into CA. Plus, as an AW, there cannot be a transfer within CA to a non-exempt buyer.

Edit: LWRC was asked to release a CA compliant featureless version of the SMG-45 and their response was that it was not possible to make the SMG-45 CA compliant.

[aBrowningfan]

The roster is being challenged and is in the hands of the SCOTUS as I type

[ar15barrels]

I was just trying to illustrate that there is an Assaul Style Pistol on the roster.

The CA7 is NOT a semi-auto.
The very first requirement of being an assault weapon IS being semi-automatic.

semiautomatic pistol

[ugimports]

I said style. Not that it was one. And most of my customers converted theirs to semi or at least were planning to.

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