Rhode v. Becerra (Challenge to CA Ammo Sales) - ORAL ARGS at 9th 11-9-2020

[Gasman]

Add GrabAGun as well.

[socal m1 shooter]

Went to my LGS today. They have not heard about the ruling or anything from the CA DOJ. They will still charge for ammo background checks until they are told different. 🤷♂️

I sent someone a comparison, some pistol ammo at a big chain with stores up and down CA (and elsewhere), vs. the same ammo at an online retailer. Big CA LGS chain was 150% of the online retailer's price.

[NewbieDoo]

I sent someone a comparison, some pistol ammo at a big chain with stores up and down CA (and elsewhere), vs. the same ammo at an online retailer. Big CA LGS chain was 150% of the online retailer's price.

It'll be interesting to see how this impacts local prices. So many online retailers ship free over $200 or so. At a certain point, sticker price at brick and mortar CA will have to be lower than online retailers to account for sales and excise taxes, otherwise it won't make sense.

[hchan42]

well damn you guys bought up all the cheap ammos at targetsportusa LOL good ****

[The Gleam]

Local places are completely panicking. This will completely destroy their ability to be competitive. If you buy locally, you will be charged 11% on top. It's already hard enough competing with online retailers as is, this will be the nail in the coffin. A lot of local places DO NOT want this law to fall as it will jeopardise their business.

When we were fighting the legislation that was inviting the 11% Anti-2nd Amendment Spite Tax, very few retailers joined in to fight it, nor contributed to stop it. There were some that posted awareness of it on their websites, but that was the most of it - because many knew that they could just pass it on to the consumer, so it meant little to nothing to them. It was a shoulder shrug at most - "not our problem".

Trying to explain to them that the economics of it would hurt their bottom line by reducing sales, a few were smug to rebuttal with 'where else are customers going to go - it's not like they can just buy guns and ammo anywhere, especially since they can't get those things elsewhere'. Well, I've certainly bought a lot less firearms and ammo direct from retail-dealers within CA since the 11% Anti-2nd Amendment Spite Tax kicked in.

And since the 11% went into affect, it's surprising there has been no organized formation of a group of retailers among them to take up fighting this law as they should be. They must be completely daft to not realize this 11% is undercutting them by reducing sales, will get worse, and will certainly have an impact if the reversal of requiring ammo background checks stays with us longer than the time it takes to get an en banc that would kill it ( or possibly longer if the law is deemed unenforceable while the State seeks their appeal to put it back in place ).

Some retailers were certainly going all out to fight it, but just a scant few, certainly not a majority - so I have no empathy now for those that blew it off. We tried to help them, they ignored our plea on their behalf.

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[kenl]

Went to a gun store in Sacramento yesterday. They have stopped running the background check, but are still charging the 11% sin tax.

[Mayor McRifle]

Went to a gun store in Sacramento yesterday. They have stopped running the background check, but are still charging the 11% sin tax.

Same thing at a gun range I went to this morning. They stopped running background checks on ammo purchases, but they still have to charge the 11% excise tax.

[thethreegs]

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[Randall_G]

Got a Email yesterday. Miwall Corp is shipping to your home now and they are a CA based company..

Unfortunately, still charging the 11% excise tax.

https://miwallcorp.com/blog/california-shipping-updates-july-2025/

As confirmed by the order I started to place then cancelled.

[SigSauerP226]

Got a case of 9mm and a case of 5.56 from TargetSports USA

[ll-Rafael-ll]

Local places are completely panicking. This will completely destroy their ability to be competitive. If you buy locally, you will be charged 11% on top. It's already hard enough competing with online retailers as is, this will be the nail in the coffin. A lot of local places DO NOT want this law to fall as it will jeopardise their business.

Imo this was the worst effect of this stupid ammo law.
If you can't buy online at super competitive prices, then there was ZERO incentive for local ammo sellers to even be remotely competitive, and thus made buying ammo in California the most expensive state.

Let the locals cry, I won't shed a single tear for them.

[tacticalcity]

Imo this was the worst effect of this stupid ammo law.
If you can't buy online at super competitive prices, then there was ZERO incentive for local ammo sellers to even be remotely competitive, and thus made buying ammo in California the most expensive state.

Let the locals cry, I won't shed a single tear for them.

They had to buy that ammo (inventory) at inflated prices. Many of the larger distributors won't even ship here. Those that will charge a pretty penny for the privilege. They were not price gouging. Now they will be stuck with ammo they will have a lot of difficulty selling. Be careful villainizing the few businesses willing to put up with California's insane regulations and are willing to sell you a gun in the first place. Imagine how expensive guns will get if there are only a handful of gun stores willing to stay open. Imagine having to drive several hours just to find a gun store. Now imaging the limited inventory they'll carry because they don't have to risk carrying a wide variety to be profitable? Lot of cities and states are in that position already. It is a miracle we're not. You have no idea the headache they put up with by selling guns in the first place, much less in this state.

I am not saying this law going away is a bad thing. I am saying, don't make the few businesses that feed your habit the bad guy. That is biting the hand that feeds you. You might not be crying now. But you will if they all start closing their doors. If the best if not only source of guns are used guns from private sellers those prices will skyrocket. Just look at the markup people put on "off roster" handguns. in other words, be nice to your local gun store. They are your friend. Not the enemy.

[splithoof]

Went to a gun store in Sacramento yesterday. They have stopped running the background check, but are still charging the 11% sin tax.

Why would anyone self-punish through a bogus “tax”? Now it’s even easier to buy ammunition.
And remember all the donkey dicks preaching about getting stopped at Ag check stations? The Fuddery was so thick you could have laid it down and walked across the river on it.
Some of these LGS were also refusing PPTs. Listen to them whine. You can hear it coming from their gash.

[scottmac2000]

I would like to get a definite answer on this regarding shipping to city of Los Angeles specifically. When I put items in my cart at several major places like Midway and get to shipping there is no restriction for Los Angeles.

I also ordered from Wild Horse Ammo and it is on the way according to the tracking#.
TargetSportUsa would not let me order online without shipping to ffl. I called and they said they can ship anywhere except Los Angeles and to order with another shipping address. I did that and it worked. They are on the way.

[zilla8]

I also ordered from Wild Horse Ammo and it is on the way according to the tracking#.
TargetSportUsa would not let me order online without shipping to ffl. I called and they said they can ship anywhere except Los Angeles and to order with another shipping address. I did that and it worked. They are on the way.

That's good and I hope you get your ammo. I noticed as of today several of the places that were advertising shipping to door in California on website no longer have it.