Young v. Hawaii (CA9); Dismissed with predjudice 12-16-22

[MarCat]

I definitely care and appreciate you both. It was a great article, and I am damn proud there are Americans like you that step up and keep fighting. Just outstanding.

Thank you, sir.

[CCWFacts]

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A lifetime of service to America in uniform and out. Thank you both!

[Paladin]

here is a fuller body picture of George in full uniform. George is the real deal. He spent 21 years in the infantry. I also included a picture of his counsel wearing a younger man's uniform

Ranger and Marine!

Go get 'em!

[Robotron2k84]

State of Hawaii's motion to intervene and requesting en banc hearing:

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Young-v.-Hawaii_State-of-Hawaiis-Motion-to-Intervene-Under-28-USC_138.pdf

[SPGuy]

I guess it’s time to start getting ready for the Supreme Court Mr Beck

[Robotron2k84]

Hawaii is acting in their own self-interest, but is far from the only anti player on the board. This could still be denied to limit fallout should it be appealed to SCOTUS on en banc reversal.

Denying the motion wound alllow for permitted open-carry, where an en banc reversal and appeal to SCOTUS could open permit-less constitutional open-carry.

[Chewy65]

Is this the standard way the game is being played. As in Peruta, the state declines to participate until a panel holds state law invalid. Then it cries that it has to be allowed to appeal en banc to defend state law, since the county is not an agency of the state.

[Peaceful John]

Denying the motion wound alllow for permitted open-carry, where an en banc reversal and appeal to SCOTUS could open permit-less constitutional open-carry.

Layman here, requesting clarification. Does this mean that if en banc ratifies Young, the entire 9th Circuit will become permitted open-carry?

But if en banc rules against Young and SCOTUS ratifies, then all of America becomes constitutional open-carry?

[Robotron2k84]

Reading tea leaves is not a scientific endeavor. However, should the motion be denied or en banc convened and uphold the panel's findings, it would solidify the opinion to where Nichols could proceed. It would then be up to the 9th, CA appeal, en banc cycle again to settle Nichols. If Nichols is upheld at the ninth, then CA would be compelled to find some avenue to permit open carry (loaded?).

That would have to go through the legislative process and may not adhere to any ruling in Nichols, where another round of lawsuits would ensue. It could take another 5-6 years post-Young, in the best case, to get California to comply.

As for SCOTUS, if any of these cases are appealed and granted cert., it could very well lead to shall-issue or permit-less open-carry based on their interpretation of how 2A and 10A interact. Or, they could simply uphold whatever finding the 9th produced.

The other unknown is how SCOTUS might grant a case cert. in order to overcome any circuit splits should CA9 reverse the panel's decision.

There are no certainties, it's all game theory at this point.

[sfpcservice]

State of Hawaii's motion to intervene and requesting en banc hearing:

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/...28-USC_138.pdf

Cool, lets go to scotus.

[homelessdude]

Does anyone know anything about Neal Kumar Katyal from the Washington DC law firm named in the motion It appears the state went and got some help. Does that firm have any history of gun rights cases?

[Robotron2k84]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Katyal

Obama solicitor general, has argued numerous SCOTUS cases, including Obamacare, general Dem crusader and clerked for Roberts before he became Chief Justice. Nothing good for our side, it would appear.

[homelessdude]

Thanks

[SPGuy]

I know worst case scenario and game theory can be fun to play as well as keeping hopes down/realistic...However sometimes I feel like the anti-2A groups look at eachother when they get into a pickle and say, “How do we get the f—- out of this? You know what let’s go over to Cal Guns and see what they come up with, they might even give us a better idea and they will do the homework for us. Hell we could even copy the argument word for word!!”

[Drivedabizness]

here is a fuller body picture of George in full uniform. George is the real deal. He spent 21 years in the infantry. I also included a picture of his counsel wearing a younger man's uniform

Semper Fi, Counselor!