Young v. Hawaii (CA9); Dismissed with predjudice 12-16-22

[curtisfong]

All this will accomplish is a faster unravelling of California's unconstitutional gun regulation scheme. They are in denial big time.

I wonder about this. Are they convinced the 9th will save them, or they're willing to do outrageous things because if it fails, they can tell their idiot voters "hey we tried but evil SCOTUS got in the way".

[FreshTapCoke]

Can you imagine if voters were required to pass psychological exams before being allowed to vote??? California would flip to the deepest, darkest Red there is!

I'm afraid of who would be administering the exams.
"How many fingers, Winston?"

[Roswell Saucer]

I wonder about this. Are they convinced the 9th will save them, or they're willing to do outrageous things because if it fails, they can tell their idiot voters "hey we tried but evil SCOTUS got in the way".

[BAJ475]

At present, Hawaii does not have two permits. It has one carry permit that allows the holder to carry openly or concealed. Hawaii has to know that its no issue policy is dead, and it may have to come up with a valid permitting system from whole cloth if it wants to try to restrict carrying of non-LEO, non-security personnel. Or it can just throw up its hands, admit defeat, and let everyone have a permit to carry openly or concealed as they please. (Snort!)

Thanks for the input. I had not followed Young close enough that I noticed that Hawaii had only one permit that allows for open or concealed carry.

[Paladin]

Is there a new CA9 docket page to monitor this case during its post Remand review? If so, please add info and link to the OP.

[seaweedsoyboy]

Is there a new CA9 docket page to monitor this case during its post Remand review? If so, please add info and link to the OP.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4139322/george-young-jr-v-state-of-hawaii/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

[gobler]

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...&order_by=desc

This makes me sick. 10 years to fight to TRY to get our rights back.. A right delayed is a right denied.

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[lastinline]

This makes me sick. 10 years to fight to TRY to get our rights back.. A right delayed is a right denied.

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[rplaw]

Give Bruen another read, Thomas said mode of carry can be regulated, but public carry cannot be completely barred. Meaning, states can ban open or concealed, but not both.

No, he didn't. In fact he cited to both Bliss and Nunn when discussing the THT as applied to bearing arms in public.

[Paladin]

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...&order_by=desc

So it is added to the old original docket?

Anyone have any idea of when it will start moving again in CA9?

[IVC]

Young is not the biggest fish to fry, not even big fish in general at the moment.

We already have an uber anti-gun AG Bonta admit GC can no longer be used in CA and it's getting to the point where CA is about to go shall-issue. HI might take a bit longer, but the biggest implication at the moment is AWB and magazine capacity bans - those are earth shattering seismic changes coming up. Cleaning up "carry" is minor by comparison.

[Dvrjon]

Young is not the biggest fish to fry, not even big fish in general at the moment.

We already have an uber anti-gun AG Bonta admit GC can no longer be used in CA and it's getting to the point where CA is about to go shall-issue. HI might take a bit longer, but the biggest implication at the moment is AWB and magazine capacity bans - those are earth shattering seismic changes coming up. Cleaning up "carry" is minor by comparison.

California is going to "shall issue" with complete restrictions on where one can carry. All public places will be restricted and every private facility will be off limits unless the proprietor displays signage stating carry is allowed.

[IVC]

California is going to "shall issue" with complete restrictions on where one can carry. All public places will be restricted and every private facility will be off limits unless the proprietor displays signage stating carry is allowed.

They might try, it won't stand. FPC is already informing AG Bonta that they are going after any sheriff who tries to circumvent GC with GMC, and we certainly won't allow anyone to play "sensitive places" game in the way that Bruen explicitly forbade (declaring large public areas as sensitive places).

[Gravelman]

[TruOil]

I wonder if the Ninth will reverse and remand for "further findings of fact," not because there are any facts to be found, but to delay the inevitable and to allow Hi to come up with a compliant licensing scheme--or a scheme like the ones being proposed here and in NYS that are specifically designed to discourage any applications.