Are Gold and Silver gonna keep going down?

[Not a Cook]

... in fact the Bible encouraged slavery in the old testament. Jesus didn't dwell on it and confirmed your acceptance of bloody beatings.

Slavery was (unfortunately) a common ancient practice (and, believe it or not, still exists today in many parts of the Islamic world). However, the Scriptures never encourage slavery, EXCEPT for slavery to Christ Himself (as "bondslaves"). The Scriptures do include requirements that protect slaves (quite a "novel concept"), but they never condone (let alone encourage) slavery. Thankfully, everywhere Christ's gospel has gone and bern widely accepted in this world the ancient scourge of literal slavery has been eradicated by laws enacted by men who take the Scriptures seriously. However, everyone who has not yet been set free by Christ is still "a slave to sin". Thankfully, though, God offers each one of us freedom from sin through His beloved Son.

[Citizen_B]

Slavery was (unfortunately) a common ancient practice (and, believe it or not, still exists today in many parts of the Islamic world). However, the Scriptures never encourage slavery, EXCEPT for slavery to Christ Himself (as "bondslaves"). The Scriptures do include requirements that protect slaves (quite a "novel concept"), but they never condone (let alone encourage) slavery. Thankfully, everywhere Christ's gospel has gone and bern widely accepted in this world the ancient scourge of literal slavery has been eradicated by laws enacted by men who take the Scriptures seriously. However, everyone who has not yet been set free by Christ is still "a slave to sin". Thankfully, though, God offers each one of us freedom from sin through His beloved Son.

So you're a biblical literalist? Here's just two on slavery you can explain away as not to be taken literally:

Exodus 21:

20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

If your ox kills a slave, it only takes 30 shekels of silver to make everything right:

Exodus 21:

32 If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull is to be stoned to death.

But that's the Old Testament so doesn't count right? Since this particular direction actually is getting off-topic, we can continue in PM if you'd like.

[sixoclockhold]

Slavery was (unfortunately) a common ancient practice (and, believe it or not, still exists today in many parts of the Islamic world). However, the Scriptures never encourage slavery, EXCEPT for slavery to Christ Himself (as "bondslaves"). The Scriptures do include requirements that protect slaves (quite a "novel concept"), but they never condone (let alone encourage) slavery. Thankfully, everywhere Christ's gospel has gone and bern widely accepted in this world the ancient scourge of literal slavery has been eradicated by laws enacted by men who take the Scriptures seriously. However, everyone who has not yet been set free by Christ is still "a slave to sin". Thankfully, though, God offers each one of us freedom from sin through His beloved Son.

Sure sure Cookie but I got Spirit and when you say things like NEVER, I have to wonder who really do you serve?

I'll give you the scripture once and then I'm done with this. You lack understanding, a lot !

I am the Fuky Guru.....

Deuteronomy 20:10-15 New International Version (NIV)

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

Where do you think the statement, "You're my Beetch" came from?

[Citizen_B]

Ah... "can't redefine definitions in the english language"? Then why aren't you using the definition from the 1828 Webster's that I previously posted?

You can't be serious... Why would we use the 1828 Webster's definition? Culture, laws, and commonly accepted understanding of words has changed in the last 200 years. Money's definition didn't start in 1828. In fact cowrie shells were used as 'money' longer, by more people, and over a larger geographic area than even precious metals (I didn't know the vast extent of shells currency and had to look it up). So, should we use the definition that shells is money? It pre-dates your definition.

Let's not. I'm a "strict constructionist". How would using "current definitions" work with the 2A? Let's stick with the meanings of the words at the time they were ratified.

You're a literalist stuck on some pretty narrow-minded concepts. Words are just a medium to convey MEANING. Over time, words change but to understand meaning you look at it's historical context at the time. The USD has not been tied to gold since the 1970s. US law changed that. That's how it works. Laws and definitions change over time. Current US law does not say gold is money. The modern definition in the english language does not say gold is money. Tow truck driver does not say gold is money. Just because you call it money doesn't make it so.

[sixoclockhold]

Booo Boo for the record, I haven't smoked since Christmas last year and I don't gamble anymore (over 15 years I think).

I like going to the Indian casinos because it gives me an excuse to drink booze since I can't carry, otherwise I'm pretty much a teetotaler.

[sixoclockhold]

The powers that be better work very hard to see Hitlery becomes Pres. because Trump like me thinks Ft. Knox is EMPTY !

http://www.kitco.com/news/2016-03-22/Gold-at-Fort-Knox-Donald-Trump-Doesn-t-Think-So.html

[Ripon83]

One of the down sides to owning bullion: thieves

[FireCloud9]

Every time I hear about gold and silver, it reminds me of places like Germany post WWII where a barrel of money would buy a loaf of bread.

I'd say guns & ammo, knives, poison, skills of magicians and hypnotists will all outperform silver and gold.

[keenkeen]

Every time I hear about gold and silver, it reminds me of places like Germany post WWII where a barrel of money would buy a loaf of bread.

I'd say guns & ammo, knives, poison, skills of magicians and hypnotists will all outperform silver and gold.

It was post WWI.

[Jimi Jah]

If you believe the end is nigh, please articulate the how and when because that is a worthwhile discussion.

There are plenty of economic discussions on how the mass debt (USA and world-wide) will burst. What is true is there has never been this much mass debt in the history of the world. We also have no experience in dealing with such a collapse so the outcome is still unknown.

So, don't worry, keep borrowing and keep printing money, it's all got to work out in the end?

Unlike some, I don't have that much faith in the current situation and leadership.

[Citizen_B]

There are plenty of economic discussions on how the mass debt (USA and world-wide) will burst. What is true is there has never been this much mass debt in the history of the world. We also have no experience in dealing with such a collapse so the outcome is still unknown.

And there are plenty of economic discussions how the mass debt (while isn't good) doesn't imply a near term implosion. We all have to make up our own independent minds on what we think will happen. Those discussions of others don't do much for this discussion without elaboration. These are complex subjects that can't just be rolled up into two sentences.

I'm more interested in what your specific views are. For example, by "mass debt" do you mean total dollars or debt-to GDP (a more useful ratio for discussion)?

Why do you think it will burst? When?

[Not a Cook]

So you're a biblical literalist? Here's just two on slavery you can explain away as not to be taken literally:

Exodus 21:

20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

If your ox kills a slave, it only takes 30 shekels of silver to make everything right:

Exodus 21:

32 If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull is to be stoned to death.

But that's the Old Testament so doesn't count right? Since this particular direction actually is getting off-topic, we can continue in PM if you'd like.

It is off-topic, and I'm not sure where you're going with the above verses nor why you think "the Old Testament... doesn't count". If you're really interested in an in-depth discussion on the topic, please feel free to PM me.

If use of the word "keceph" is causing you some confusion, I'd suggest looking up various ways in which it is translated. Paying 30 shekels of silver did not "make everything right". Context is everything; you need to read the entire passage in context in order to understand what's being said. I'll copy just a small portion of that passage below for your reference so that you get a "bigger picture" of what's going on in the passage at hand:

Exodus 21:26-32 (NKJV)

You have to be careful to look at the various conditions in the passage. I won't bore the rest of the thread participants with such a discussion here - if you're genuinely interested, feel free to PM me.

Sure sure Cookie but I got Spirit and when you say things like NEVER, I have to wonder who really do you serve?

I'll give you the scripture once and then I'm done with this. You lack understanding, a lot !

I am the Fuky Guru.....

Deuteronomy 20:10-15 New International Version (NIV)

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

Where do you think the statement, "You're my Beetch" came from?

Boy, sixoclockhold, I'm not sure, but I think I should say "thank you"? After all, your statement to me, "You lack understanding, a lot !" qualifies as one of the nicest things you've written to date about any of the other participants in this thread.

Again... read the Scriptures in context. I'd reply in-depth, but in addition to being REALLY off-topic, I also know from previous exchanges that you don't care to listen to anything I teach from the Scriptures, so why waste either of our time?

[Not a Cook]

You can't be serious... Why would we use the 1828 Webster's definition? Culture, laws, and commonly accepted understanding of words has changed in the last 200 years. Money's definition didn't start in 1828. In fact cowrie shells were used as 'money' longer, by more people, and over a larger geographic area than even precious metals (I didn't know the vast extent of shells currency and had to look it up). So, should we use the definition that shells is money? It pre-dates your definition.

I'd take issue with the claim that cowrie shells were "money" longer than gold or silver, but that's another discussion that's a bit off-topic, isn't it?

The spirit of your above statement seems at odds with your previous claim that,

... you can't redefine definitions in the english language...

Apparently, you actually do believe you can "redefine definitions in the english [sic] language".

So... why use Webster's 1828 definitions? Um... two reasons. Reason #1: it's the dictionary which existed closest to the ratification of the U.S. Constitution and does the best job of preserving the definitions understood by the "Founding Fathers" of this nation. Reason #2: it's simply the oldest dictionary of American English.

You're a literalist stuck on some pretty narrow-minded concepts.

Thank you.

Words are just a medium to convey MEANING. Over time, words change but to understand meaning you look at it's historical context at the time. The USD has not been tied to gold since the 1970s. US law changed that. That's how it works. Laws and definitions change over time. Current US law does not say gold is money. The modern definition in the english language does not say gold is money. Tow truck driver does not say gold is money. Just because you call it money doesn't make it so.

[Not a Cook]

One of the down sides to owning bullion: thieves

What earthly asset is there that is safe from thieves?

If you're concerned about possible theft, you may want to consider the following from Matthew 6:19-21 (NKJV)

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

[sixoclockhold]

Hey look, .gov added 250k slave jobs @ $10 hour for seniors and the market shoots up and gold tanks $25 bucks.

Poor saps, welcome to Walmart, fries with that bugger?

$1,300 I'll be a buyer, the fix is in.