EMP question

[OCGunFan]

The fact is that it's virtually all theory, there's not been any space testing of nukes since Squanto Terror back in the 60's. We have an idea of what would happen, but we don't have any true clue.

It's all theory.

Theory.....uhhhhh, no, EMP / CME is a proven scientific fact, just because you choose not to believe in it, doesn't make it so. Starfish Prime proved the effects on ground based electronics of an EMP detonated in space. BTW, this a partial list of nukes detonated at high altitude and space, proving the "theory" of damage to unprotected electronics.

USA Hardtack I ? (Operation Newsreel) ? Johnston Atoll, Pacific Ocean
Yucca 28 April 1958 1.7 kt 26.2 km
Teak 1 August 1958 3.8 Mt 76.8 km
Orange 12 August 1958 3.8 Mt 34 km

USA Argus ? South Atlantic Ocean
Argus I 27 August 1958 1.7 kt 200 km
Argus II 30 August 1958 1.7 kt 240 km
Argus III 6 September 1958 1.7 kt 540 km

Soviet Union ? 1961 tests ? Kapustin Yar
Test #88 6 September 1961 10.5 kt 22.7 km
Test #115 6 October 1961 40 kt 41.3 km
Test #127 27 October 1961 1.2 kt 150 km
Test #128 27 October 1961 1.2 kt 300 km

USA
Dominic I ? (Operation Fishbowl) ? Johnston Atoll, Pacific Ocean
Bluegill Triple Prime 26 October 1962 410 kt 50 km
Starfish Prime 9 July 1962 1.4 Mt 400 km
Checkmate 20 October 1962 7 kt 147 km
Kingfish 1 November 1962 410 kt 97 km
Tightrope 4 November 1962 <5 kt 30?80 km

Soviet Union ? Project K ? Kapustin Yar
Test #184 22 October 1962 300 kt 290 km
Test #187 28 October 1962 300 kt 150 km
Test #195 1 November 1962 300 kt 59 km

[ZapThyCat]

EMP isn't a theory, it's absolutely proven, yes, but my point is that there is no solid evidence on what it would do to modern cars covered in fiberglass with sensitive microprocessors. As you listed, all the actual tests were done 50+ years ago, and there were no microprocessors or fuel injectors back then, so anything regarding effects of an EMP today is conjecture and theory.

Theory.....uhhhhh, no, EMP / CME is a proven scientific fact, just because you choose not to believe in it, doesn't make it so. Starfish Prime proved the effects on ground based electronics of an EMP detonated in space. BTW, this a partial list of nukes detonated at high altitude and space, proving the "theory" of damage to unprotected electronics.

USA Hardtack I ? (Operation Newsreel) ? Johnston Atoll, Pacific Ocean
Yucca 28 April 1958 1.7 kt 26.2 km
Teak 1 August 1958 3.8 Mt 76.8 km
Orange 12 August 1958 3.8 Mt 34 km

USA Argus ? South Atlantic Ocean
Argus I 27 August 1958 1.7 kt 200 km
Argus II 30 August 1958 1.7 kt 240 km
Argus III 6 September 1958 1.7 kt 540 km

Soviet Union ? 1961 tests ? Kapustin Yar
Test #88 6 September 1961 10.5 kt 22.7 km
Test #115 6 October 1961 40 kt 41.3 km
Test #127 27 October 1961 1.2 kt 150 km
Test #128 27 October 1961 1.2 kt 300 km

USA
Dominic I ? (Operation Fishbowl) ? Johnston Atoll, Pacific Ocean
Bluegill Triple Prime 26 October 1962 410 kt 50 km
Starfish Prime 9 July 1962 1.4 Mt 400 km
Checkmate 20 October 1962 7 kt 147 km
Kingfish 1 November 1962 410 kt 97 km
Tightrope 4 November 1962 <5 kt 30?80 km

Soviet Union ? Project K ? Kapustin Yar
Test #184 22 October 1962 300 kt 290 km
Test #187 28 October 1962 300 kt 150 km
Test #195 1 November 1962 300 kt 59 km

[OlderThanDirt]

EMP isn't a theory, it's absolutely proven, yes, but my point is that there is no solid evidence on what it would do to modern cars covered in fiberglass with sensitive microprocessors. As you listed, all the actual tests were done 50+ years ago, and there were no microprocessors or fuel injectors back then, so anything regarding effects of an EMP today is conjecture and theory.

Crawl out from under that rock where you live. There are established testing standards for EMP and Direct Energy Weapons, specifically MIL-STD-461 and RS105, that are required for all relevant military platforms. Several models have been developed based on the plethora of data from these tests. All satellites and space vehicles are also subjected to the same testing, mainly because objects in space are routinely subjected to electromagnetic radiation to varying degrees.

[DaveInOroValley]

A CME is much less likely to impact all electronics vs. an EMP. A CME would be the better if you can call that of the two.

[ZapThyCat]

Crawl out from under that rock where you live. Several models have been developed based on the plethora of data from these tests. All satellites and space vehicles are also subjected to the same testing, mainly because objects in space are routinely subjected to electromagnetic radiation to varying degrees.

Models, you idiot. Speculation, in other words. There haven't been any nukes detonated in space for the last 50 years, so no actual testing.

You don't have any clue what actually will happen.

[OlderThanDirt]

Models, you idiot. Speculation, in other words. There haven't been any nukes detonated in space for the last 50 years, so no actual testing.

You don't have any clue what actually will happen.

It?s pretty slimy and dishonest to edit a quote to delete the relevant facts. I would suggest that you do a little reading on MIL-STD-461 and RS105 EMP testing and standards. Laboratory scale testing is done all the time and is required for military and aerospace applications. An EMP can be generated without detonating nukes in space.

I would also suggest you peruse the numerous reports published by the Office of Naval Research instead of getting your talking points from MSNBC and the CCP. Also spend a little time reading the unclassified reports on Directed Energy Weapons (DEW) and High Altitude Electromagnetic Pulse (HEMP) weapons. If you want the abridged dumbed down version of the issue, there are numerous reports that have been prepared for the US EMP Commission in the following link that even politicians can understand.

DoD Releases Three New EMP Commission Reports

Or you can keep your head in your warm, smelly safe space.

[squeeze]

Much has happened since "One Second After" was first published. It was great of him to publish it since no one really read the report he gave Congress about the threat. Since then a great deal has been done to harden some targets, my guess is the threat is still serious but not as horrible as it was when this was published. Our government / especially our military will probably remain on line for the most part. Of course you have to be able to trust your government.

Of course we can trust our government: Hey- I read about that trust: Kent State, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Illian (sp) of Cuba. The list of trusts goes on and on. Just ask an Indian