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sigpicC'mon man, shouldn't we ban Democracks from Cal-Guns? Or at least send them to re-education camps. -
Up until recently a friend of mine said he didn't want to kill an intruder. So he wanted to get some bean bag rounds or something. I explained to him why that was a bad idea.
A bird shot round can be areal problem too...If every bullet has a lawyer attached you end up with a lot of little bullets AND it might not do the job too.
I think its better to use the right ammo for the job.sigpicC'mon man, shouldn't we ban Democracks from Cal-Guns? Or at least send them to re-education camps.Comment
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Yeah, but actually stopping a guy full of meth is another thing. You gotta get to the organs. Cops frequently find that people who are shot keep coming after multiple shots. Although the ammunition, and practice has made Officers more lethal.~1 1/8oz #8 = ~492.1875 grains of lead shot going 1000+ FPS is substantially more, even if a ~7" of spread, while not penetrating as much, w/~4x as much scattered lead as a 124gr 9mm, or just under 4x for .40 ACP I last bought for him... during our prior range trip, before Cali had ammo restrictions...
More nerve endings a'tingling from surface/skin-wounds, so he got that right as far as bad-idea deterrent/notice would be taken upon flesh-entry...sigpicC'mon man, shouldn't we ban Democracks from Cal-Guns? Or at least send them to re-education camps.Comment
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Yeah, I am not going to argue with this guy, he is a neo-hippy of sorts, although a Libertarian. It is STILL better than nothing, AND he does pack some high-brass in his tube, but not sure how it is HD-stacked. He has some handguns on order, back-ordered for months, but at least he is pro-gun, even though he says guns are a necessary evil, due to all the crazies we discuss here, and needing firearms... in case of.Comment
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sigpicC'mon man, shouldn't we ban Democracks from Cal-Guns? Or at least send them to re-education camps.Comment
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Everything is beginning to come back in stock, but slowly. AIM surplus had 7.62X39 Wolf for $8/20 the other day. Higher than pre-craziness, but that's a caliber I don't reload for, so it was worth buying.
Seeing 9mm but still .50 a round, which is too high.
Primers are still hard to find but I have a few years supply.
Once many of Bidens gun control initiatives fall flat, the panic buying will subside. That's when you stack it deepComment
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Birdshot in the HD gun is just fine, especially if you don't want to shoot anyone on the other side of the walls, like your kids or neighbors. I was quail hunting once and came upon a wild pig. It was about 15 yards away. A carefully placed shot of #8 lead to the head took him out, DRT.
Note: For all you cyber wardens and the like, yes I know you can't legally use shot on a pig. I was young and uninformed then and the statute of limitations has long passed. This was also long before the lead ban.Comment
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The real possibility of shooting through a wall and hitting an innocent on the other side should be a major factor in choosing a home defense arm. Do they still sell the Glaser safety slug?Comment
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Almost never happens. Yes, it does happen but given the rarity it doesn't need to be major factor in making the choice. Hitting what you're shooting at will do more for reducing the risk than the choice of gun or ammo. Given the number of gun shots that take place there would be hundreds of thousands of dead or wounded people every year if it was a very likely situation.
How many innocent people are shot because of over penetration in a self defense or home defense shooting? Very very few. Its so rare who can point to that happening more than a few times out of the thousands upon thousands of SD/HD shootings? If it was happening more than rarely it would be the first thing leading the news, there is no way they wouldn't make it the headline.
That doesn't mean a 50 cal SLAP is the ammo of choice but we should really be considerate of reality and extreme unlikely possibilities. If we're trying to eliminate extremely unlikely possibilities then any gun is the wrong gun and any ammo is the wrong kind.
If anyone has data that shows over penetration is resulting in any significant numbers of innocents being shot (not one or two stories - real data showing its a significant problem) post it up.Let Go of the Status Quo!
Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?
Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.
Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.Comment
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Unless one is contemplating a Ruby Ridge-style standoff or offensive operations far beyond home, I daresay most have plenty of ammo for what they need for home defense. When these topics come up I'm reminded that Kyle took out two unfriendlies and wounded a third, and escaped, in actual street combat and did that without ever changing the magazine.
Prices/supply vary widely. Forex, all during the shortage I was watching .30 carbine and it stayed relatively stable and available. OTH, 5.7x28 disappeared and got very expensive. A common caliber in my collection 7.92x57, also experienced shortages and high prices but surplus is now returning in crate lots and at more reasonable prices, a decided factor for those running semi-auto and machine guns in that caliber.
How much is enough? IDK, that's a personal decision. Forex, my dad came home from killing Nazis and never touched a gun again, and never had one instance of out in public or at home self defense threat for some five decades after active service. I've had far more run-ins in my life. Different people, different lives. Thank goodness I didn't have to kill to survive like he did. So far.Comment
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