Federal Agent Demands Food Storage List from LDS

[JCavSD]

So with that logic lets run another scenario.

Im driving by your house and see someone breaking in the window. I park down the street and record the lic plate number. I see two people leaving your house with your guns, computers, gold coins etc.

You, being the skeptic, would dismiss what I told you and move along looking for the criminals because Im just one person and my story cannot be corroborated?

Ummm OK?

Lets cough up another story.

Im in Arizona and see a man buying 20 Ar-15's. I go outside and watch him load them in a van. With my curiosity peaked I follow him to the border. While Im driving and following the buyer I notice a black suburban also following the buyer. Later after the buyer goes into mexico I follow the suburban to a starbucks where I see two "federal Agents" getting out. I later post the incident on the internet and speculate the Federal Government is allowing guns to walk into mexico for some unknown reason. I speculate that maybe they are attempting to cause gun crimes to go up with these types of weapons so they can later create outcry and ban our guns.

Does any of that sound plausible or like some lame internet BS story?

You decide......

Anyone can dismiss anything at any time. Whats real? Whats not? I find many current events hard to believe whether I believe them or not. I was able to abandon the "Normalcy Bias" and start looking deeper at every story.

Two things about all that.

I think it was Carl Sagan who said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Homes get broken into all the time, it's a very common event. If you claim to witness such an event it may or may not be true, but based on the sheer known quantity of break ins your story would certainly be plausible and worthy of investigation. The story told by the Oathkeepers was both shallow (lacking in detail) and fairly extraordinary, and wasn't worth more than casual consideration in my mind. Extraordinary events do happen, and to be considered credible they require more than "Hey man, my cousin Billy-Bob saw X and X doing X." At least that's how I try to weed out the potential BS.

Second, any organization that makes bold accusations against the government, and uses those accusations to garner support, should feel a moral responsibility to do their best to pass on true things and weed out false things. Obviously, the Oathkeepers didn't did that. Glad they owned up to it.

We have enough "real" reasons to be unhappy about the state of our government, we don't need made-up reasons thrown into the mix just to stir the pot.

[dustoff31]

No surprise, both the story and the way it was presented seemed pretty feeble from the get-go. This type of misinformation, whether intentional or unintentional, is a good example of why we need to think critically about everything we read/hear/see. I'm glad they're changing their policy regarding getting statements from "eye witnesses".

Exactly.

I must say that considering the makeup of their organization, this is particulary poor. One would think that collecting facts, verifying sources, confirming stories, nailing down witnesses, etc, would all be second nature to them.

This being the second questionable story within a week, the Oathkeepers credibility has taken a big hit.

[problemchild]

Exactly.

I must say that considering the makeup of their organization, this is particulary poor. One would think that collecting facts, verifying sources, confirming stories, nailing down witnesses, etc, would all be second nature to them.

This being the second questionable story within a week, the Oathkeepers credibility has taken a big hit.

Exactly why I trusted their story.

And there is this which is true.
"It turns out authorities have been poking around and asking Tennesseans about their emergency preparations, even going door-to-door with questionnaires."

People say the story was vague yet the term "Federal Agent" is used almost on a daily basis on the news and internet. Type in "federal Agent raid" in google and see how many millions of pages come up.
Second OK did mention the state and organization and gender of the person. Since there are only TWO LDS canneries in TN and one has a FEMALE manager it leaves one store in question.
The manager of that store did relate the factual or fictional story to OK and then reneged for whatever reason.

I have a friend of mine higher up in the church looking into the cannery to find out what really happened.

People say extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof well what proof do we have for many of the extraordinary stories coming down the pipes in the last few years?
I mean we have an Illegal Alien Muslim with terrorists ties and communist friends running the most powerful country in the world, or do we? Sound extraordinary?

Some think the moon landing never happened. Enough extraordinary proof?
Some think 911 was a coverup, extraordinary proof?
Billions think the Holocaust never happened, extraordinary proof?

Where does it end? Whats enough? Who do you believe?

[RCJeeper]

Exactly why I trusted their story.

And there is this which is true.
"It turns out authorities have been poking around and asking Tennesseans about their emergency preparations, even going door-to-door with questionnaires."

People say the story was vague yet the term "Federal Agent" is used almost on a daily basis on the news and internet. Type in "federal Agent raid" in google and see how many millions of pages come up.
Second OK did mention the state and organization and gender of the person. Since there are only TWO LDS canneries in TN and one has a FEMALE manager it leaves one store in question.
The manager of that store did relate the factual or fictional story to OK and then reneged for whatever reason.

I have a friend of mine higher up in the church looking into the cannery to find out what really happened.

People say extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof well what proof do we have for many of the extraordinary stories coming down the pipes in the last few years?
I mean we have an Illegal Alien Muslim with terrorists ties and communist friends running the most powerful country in the world, or do we? Sound extraordinary?

Some think the moon landing never happened. Enough extraordinary proof?
Some think 911 was a coverup, extraordinary proof?
Billions think the Holocaust never happened, extraordinary proof?

Where does it end? Whats enough? Who do you believe?

So PC, do you believe the story?

[Avarice]

I believe it enough to pay cash at the storehouse from now on.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/09/1oath-keepers-alert-federal-agents-demand-customer-lists-from-mormon-food-storage-facility/

The word of the Oathkeepers is good enough for me.

[JCavSD]

People say extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof well what proof do we have for many of the extraordinary stories coming down the pipes in the last few years?
I mean we have an Illegal Alien Muslim with terrorists ties and communist friends running the most powerful country in the world, or do we? Sound extraordinary?

Some think the moon landing never happened. Enough extraordinary proof?
Some think 911 was a coverup, extraordinary proof?
Billions think the Holocaust never happened, extraordinary proof?

Where does it end? Whats enough? Who do you believe?

I'm really having trouble wrapping my brain around your points, or if you're even trying to make real points at all. I could be wrong, but it seems as if you're minimizing the importance of proof when evaluating whether or not a claim is true. Can you clarify?

[problemchild]

I'm really having trouble wrapping my brain around your points, or if you're even trying to make real points at all. I could be wrong, but it seems as if you're minimizing the importance of proof when evaluating whether or not a claim is true. Can you clarify?

Sure...

But first lets read this headline.........

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Update: News channel 5 confirms door-to-door questioning of food supplies in Tennessee while canneries downplay initial reports

Sunday, December 11, 2011
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com (See all articles...)


(NaturalNews) Citizens in Tennessee are being asked by government workers to divulge details about their preparedness plans in a door-to-door "assessment" program reported by Janet Kim from local news channel 5 (http://www.newschannel5.com/story/1...). During this assessment, government workers ask residents 22 questions about their preparedness status. NaturalNews has confirmed through reliable sources that these include questions about emergency food supplies.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034381_Te...#ixzz1gSGUch5g

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The change in this first-hand account has many people scratching their heads, as this story was confirmed face-to-face by none other than Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President Sgt. Rand Cardwell, a USMC veteran (Desert Storm) with a solid reputation. There is virtually no possibility that Sgt. Rand Cardwell invented this story, as he is widely known to be a trustworthy individual who honorably served his country as a U.S. Marine.

A far more likely explanation may be found in the Patriot Act itself, which features a sneak-and-peek with a gag order provision that allows federal agents to conduct searches of any facility and then gag the witnesses from speaking about it for at least one year

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034381_Te...#ixzz1gSH3itxn
.................................................. .................................................. .......

The bottom line is that government officials are taking a curious interest all of a sudden in the preparedness status of the American people. Whether for innocent reasons or for nefarious purposes, this is a new focus of both state and federal government, and it indicates that somebody up the chain of command is very interested in knowing WHO is preparing and HOW they're getting prepared.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034381_Te...#ixzz1gSMMKb1P
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Hmmmmm.....
So we believe channel 5 stating that the Federal Agents are going door to door in TN, the same state the LDS cannery is in and at the same time, asking about food supplies. But we are not to believe that one or more of those "federal agents" dropped by the LDS cannery and asked about food storage buyers. Wait Im confused....

Now back to your question to clarify. Can we agree there is plenty of smoke near this story?

I said at what point is proof proof?
How much proof is necessary?
Are pictures and video enough?
Do we need DNA?
Pictures can be faked and photoshop'ed.
Video can be faked.
People can lie.
Governments can threaten people into silence.
Do any of you believe in God? Why? There is NO proof!
Are all the religions wrong?
Look how quick the naysayers latched onto the retraction story. Why did they believe that story? How do we know the retraction means it never happened? Maybe the retraction means the LDS manager was under duress to keep quiet. It is easy for "Federal Agents" to get someone to change their story when they shove a rifle muzzle in your mouth, your wife’s mouth or one of you kids. Not saying that happened at LDS but we all know it has happened thousands of times elsewhere.


What I'm asking and saying is do not be so hasty to discount something. Of the three sources involved (the Feds, LDS Church and O.K.) I know which I trust and don't trust. Someone said above that extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. I put forward this is not extraordinary by any means. We all have heard of this type thing happening on a daily basis just like a house getting broken into.
I trusted the source because they are, in my opinion, a worthy entity.

[ExAcHog]

^^^^^^EXACTLY...! Put a fork in this one..It's done.

[Calplinker]

Readiness

Some here seem to jump to the conclusion that the government has sinister intent when asking people about their preparedness.

Saw a billboard today encouraging people to develop an emergency plan, stock up on supplies and to visit: www.ready.gov for ideas and guidance on preparing for an emergency. Not a bad idea here in earthquake and disaster prone California.

The company I work for has a program where we encourage people to prepare for emergencies and one of the resources we point them to is the website listed above. Our local country government does the same thing for businesses.

Heck, even the news story referenced above says that the people asking the questions are the "good guys" from a local state agency.

Here's a quote from the story:

"During this assessment, government workers ask residents 22 questions about their preparedness status. NaturalNews has confirmed through reliable sources that these include questions about emergency food supplies.

Fortunately, this effort is being done by a Tennessee group of state employees who are widely recognized throughout the preparedness community as being "good guys" who are truly just trying to help people get prepared."

I see nothing sinister here.

[Ripon83]

The blog I read has posted an update to say the report was bogus and BS.

Calplinker you are so right. I know our government has its flaws, but it can still do good if it wants too or tries. Too many have given up on the government - sad.

[problemchild]

("Sinister intent")= fast and furious was a false flag OP by the Feds to ban our semi-auto rifles, read enemies foreign and domestic)



I hear you. Let me ask a question.

Why ask us to prepare then send out a flyer declaring people who prepare "Possible Terrorists"? Why are they going door-to-door pounding on peoples doors asking how much food they have? What possible reason could they have to do that? Why did they GPS tag everyone's front door in America this last census? Why is the government so afraid of its citizens it is furiously working on a bill to have the military arrest us on US soil as terrorists and detain us indefinitely without trial?

Think about this....

Information was released right away.
Information spread
Big story
Information was retracted
Publisher gets gun shy to post any more information
Maybe it was a test to see how we react and defame O.K.?

"We believe this was a test to see how people would react to a big government intrusion on privacy rights".--Sysops

http://youtu.be/0jRXC45FKy0

So if I buy "bulk items" including "MRE's" watch out for me. Good thing I am prepared huh?
Do any of you see any problems with any of this?

Some here seem to jump to the conclusion that the government has sinister intent when asking people about their preparedness.

Saw a billboard today encouraging people to develop an emergency plan, stock up on supplies and to visit: www.ready.gov for ideas and guidance on preparing for an emergency. Not a bad idea here in earthquake and disaster prone California.

The company I work for has a program where we encourage people to prepare for emergencies and one of the resources we point them to is the website listed above. Our local country government does the same thing for businesses.

Heck, even the news story referenced above says that the people asking the questions are the "good guys" from a local state agency.

Here's a quote from the story:

"During this assessment, government workers ask residents 22 questions about their preparedness status. NaturalNews has confirmed through reliable sources that these include questions about emergency food supplies.

Fortunately, this effort is being done by a Tennessee group of state employees who are widely recognized throughout the preparedness community as being "good guys" who are truly just trying to help people get prepared."

I see nothing sinister here.

[problemchild]

The blog I read has posted an update to say the report was bogus and BS.

Calplinker you are so right. I know our government has its flaws, but it can still do good if it wants too or tries. Too many have given up on the government - sad.

Correction. The blog said the person personally interviewed by O.K. has retracted his story. How would the blog you read know anything. Why would you trust that post and not the other?

Big difference.

[dustoff31]

I hear you. Let me ask a question.

("Sinister intent")= fast and furious was a false flag OP by the Feds to ban our semi-auto rifles, read enemies foreign and domestic)


Why ask us to prepare then send out a flyer declaring people who prepare "Possible Terrorists"? Why are they going door-to-door pounding on peoples doors asking how much food they have? What possible reason could they have to do that? Why did they GPS tag everyone's front door in America this last census? Why is the government so afraid of its citizens it is furiously working on a bill to have the military arrest us on US soil as terrorists and detain us indefinitely without trial?

So if I buy "bulk items" including "MRE's" watch out for me. Good thing I am prepared huh?
Do any of you see any problems with any of this?

According to this news report from TN. The survey was in random areas of the city, not a door to door survey of everyone. The survey was conducted by the county health department, not the feds. And asked things like, "What special assistance would you need in the event of an emergency?"

While the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, we must be careful not to get carried away and make sure our facts are straight and are reported accurately.

For example, there is a big difference between saying "I was accosted by armed federal government thugs demanding to see my papers", when what actually happened was that the state game warden wanted to see my hunting license.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15948523/door-to-door-assessment-for-disaster-preparedness

[Beagle]

This story only scratch the surface. Forgot Fox news.

I get my news and everything I need to know from Alex Jones. You guys can continue to believe what you want.

[Calplinker]

Fear

So, to recap, Problem Child posts a message with links to "NaturalNews" then claims a vast government conspiracy to collect information on people, particularly those who prepare for disasters.

Being curious, I click on the link, where the source HE posted claims that the people asking these questions are local government officials known to be "the good guys".

All I hear are wild claims with little connection to reality. People who see conspiracies all around them will always find "evidence" to suit their beliefs.

If folks who believe this sort of thing are searching for someone to free them from their paranoia, I got nothing......