Canning up the Honeyville bulk food (pics)

[problemchild]

That's good, because it was probably just as useless as anything you've said up till now.

You come in and thread crap and then talk smack to me? I live in Long beach come on over and we can FTF this BS discussion. My guess is you wont show up or you will talk more crap. I know you. Your the guy that talks tough but isnt. Ive met your type plenty of times.

Is this what they teach you in your Church (Signature: In the madness of this world, know the Peace of God.)

No point in talking any more. PM me for my address........

[9-12]

problemchild
Thank you for the info that you have posted, I only wish that HV was here in Norcal. I guess I will have to make do with COSTCO, WINCO, and WM.

I did some comparisons and I think you'll find Costco to be more than competitive. You might have to use some imagination for packaging, but you can get 5gal. plastic buckets just about anywhere. With a Seal A Meal, you can put smaller portions in individual pouches for easier packaging, or the same method as above. For dry goods, the big zip lock baggies work very well. I've stored cereals and grain for years in them in hunting cache's. We have several places where we've buried some 55 gal drums and fill them with all kinds of goodies. Sometimes we don't get there for a couple seasons and 99% of what we store is still just fine...once we finally remember where they are.

[9-12]

Whats your problem? You come in and thread crap and then **** talk to me? I live in Long beach come on over and we can FTF this little discussion. My guess is you wont show up or you will talk more crap. I know you. Your the guy that talks tough but isnt. Ive met your type plenty of times.

LOL...simmer down, man. You're the one talking crap, not me. You haven't had a civil tone since word one, and now you want to "call me out"? Grrrrrrrrr!
How old are you?
My last response to you.

[problemchild]

LOL...simmer down, man. You're the one talking crap, not me. You haven't had a civil tone since word one, and now you want to "call me out"? Grrrrrrrrr!
How old are you?
My last response to you.

Just what I thought you would do. Same thing most tough talkers do. They talk smack then back down.

Love that church quote in your sig. Way to walk the talk bud.

[9-12]

I can't really see or imagine a situation where you'd have to be 100% self sufficient for a year purely depending on what you have stored, even water. I also can't imagine anything that would drive me away from my home, even if it was badly damaged in a bad earthquake. If it's a fire and you have to flee, well all you have to do is get away from the fire area and find a motel or a camp ground, but even then, eventually you'll be allowed back in your area. Things will have to deteriorate to a point of no return before civil unrest gets so bad you have to flee, but then...flee to where, for what? (Not asking you, these are questions I ask myself). At that point, I believe we'll have enough advanced warning over time to make better preparations than bugging out on a moment's notice. Foreign invasion? Not likely. Zombies...all they want is a little love...
I think the worst scenario is financial collapse where markets and gas stations are no longer useful, and we may even face utilities failing. That could get ugly, but I don't think for a year and we'd be no better off in the boonies.
JMO

We stopped by yesterday and priced some stuff, checked out what they had.
Most of the stuff was a pretty good deal, some was high compared to Wally World, specifically pancake mix. 3lb box was $3.40, compared to a box of name-brand mix 2.5lb for about $2 (and yes, I understand the bulk bags are a better value)

Question my wife has, if SHTF, what is the plan? Will you load your BO kit into the truck and get as far as you can, then abandon the vehicle and most of the food supplies to hoof it, or is this strictly a bug-in plan (which is probably the best plan anywhere more than 3 miles from the foothills unless you live in the boonies like CSA where home is "bugged out").

One common thread on the recipes... water/heat. Okay, the solar oven can provide heat in good weather, but how many hundreds of gallons of water would be needed for a year of just sustenance (assuming bathing in the ocean or a lake)?

[Cokebottle]

That did not answer the question.

[Joewy]

That did not answer the question.

Which question?

About water, You need a lot. Probably about 5 gallons per day per person not including bathing.

Water is one of the reasons that most people will be forced out of their homes under most SHTF senerios. Now if you have a source of water that is great. However few people in SOcal have any access to water at any point of the year besides the 10 days per year that it rains.

[larryb]

What is the expected shelf life after you get everything all packaged up?

[9-12]

That did not answer the question.

Sorry...72hrs.org reccommends three gallons per person per day which will take care of most cooking and basic perosnal hygene needs. If you have beverages and fresh food, a good amount of your daily need for water in contained therein and you may get by with less. If you have a water source like a lake or river and only need clean drinking/cooking water, a gallon a day per person is probably enough.

[dustoff31]

What is the expected shelf life after you get everything all packaged up?

Honeyville says the sealed cans are good for 7 years, IIRC. In truth, if stored correctly, they are good for much longer.

For the bulk beans, grains, etc., again, if bagged and stored correctly, 20-25 years is not unreasonable.

[larryb]

Honeyville says the sealed cans are good for 7 years, IIRC. In truth, if stored correctly, they are good for much longer.

For the bulk beans, grains, etc., again, if bagged and stored correctly, 20-25 years is not unreasonable.

Thinking i need to stop by there next time I'm in the area

[IEShooter]

Which question?

About water, You need a lot. Probably about 5 gallons per day per person not including bathing.

Water is one of the reasons that most people will be forced out of their homes under most SHTF senerios. Now if you have a source of water that is great. However few people in SOcal have any access to water at any point of the year besides the 10 days per year that it rains.

Good rule of thumb for water is 1 gallon of water per person per day, plus bathing, washing clothes, etc.

That gallon per day includes water for cooking, such as re-constituting freeze dried food. You can get some of that water by using canned goods.

Your water heater will be good for 40-50 gallons, depending on size. Just don't forget to turn off the water supply to the house after a big quake as you don't want contaminated water to infiltrate your tank.

If you have a pool, as we do, that water is great for bathing, washing clothes, etc.

A high quality water filter like a Daulton will allow you to make clean, safe to drink water from quite a few sources as long as it isn't contaminated with petroleum.

Something to think about.

[GrizzlyGuy]

Question my wife has, if SHTF, what is the plan? Will you load your BO kit into the truck and get as far as you can, then abandon the vehicle and most of the food supplies to hoof it, or is this strictly a bug-in plan (which is probably the best plan anywhere more than 3 miles from the foothills unless you live in the boonies like CSA where home is "bugged out").

One common thread on the recipes... water/heat. Okay, the solar oven can provide heat in good weather, but how many hundreds of gallons of water would be needed for a year of just sustenance (assuming bathing in the ocean or a lake)?

My plan is to stay in my house (shelter in place). That is, until it either burns down or the armed bandits are so numerous that my wife and I can't hold them off any longer.

That's the case for me even though my family has 800-ish acres of land a 5-ish hour drive away over in the Emerald Triangle that I've hunted and fished on since I was old enough to walk. Part of it was a working apple farm so it's good for agricultural as well. However... I have no illusions about living off the land. The game would be hunted out within a month, the fish would all be caught in a few weeks, I barely know how to garden, and although a bunch of my old buddies are master gardeners... they only know how to grow pot.

Nope, I'm sticking it out here. My preps are really based around what CSACANONEER said: the weather can trap people in their houses for a long time, especially up here. If the town were to stop plowing the snow for any reason (bankruptcy, lots of equipment failures, whatever) then we could literally be trapped in the house for 6 months (that's how long we have snow on the ground). So... I make sure we have food on hand for that long. Wouldn't want to repeat the whole Donner Party thang, know what I mean?

Water: Not a concern for me since we have snow and springs that run year-round near the house. I've heard that the bare minimum is 1 gal/person/day.

P.S. - A lot of the Donner Party died just a few miles downhill from me. You know, down where the snow doesn't get half as deep.

[Joewy]

Donner party didnt have these.

[Fireguy]

I did see anyone mention condiments like spices, hot sauces, A1, sugar. I have been told that the French developed their sauces to cover up the taste of the meal. And Asian and countries South of the border used chiles and curries to cover the taste of meat that is about to go bad.
How do you keep spices from losing it's favor in long term storage?